Why should I help those in need?

Why should I help those in need?
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Posted Jan 4, 2010 - 1:03 AM:

**Pardon me, all other posters, I'm responding on this thread perhaps wrongly. It would be more appropriate if Nyne and myself were speaking on the other thread about feminism**


Should I not respect my mother and father? Should I not respect your views and treat you respectfully? Should I not know you and love you without condition, as Christ does? Would it not be righteous for me to follow the advice provided in the Bible in regards to gender roles, whether man or woman?

I think you might be misinterpreting something. If the Bible did not expect women to have a choice to do one or the other, then why does it feel the need to address them? The Bible puts a woman in control of her own salvation. You are provided a choice on how you treat others, on how much of the burden of social interaction is upon yourself and how much of the burden of social interaction and manners is on the other, and the Bible does no more than tell you the righteousness of putting the burden on yourself, of respecting and learning from others.

I myself, am rather devoid of, not only sexuality, but gender role identifications, as I attempt to tell one and all of my love for them through Christ, and someone will take it as hitting on them and some as something strangely queer. It would be a lie that both men and women do not, in their confidence, overlook simplicity and purity and christ, and overconfidence rather than submissive listening, leads to misunderstanding and false assumptions.

No, none of us are equal. Each has a gift from god unlike the other. Why are women any different? It is no surprise that how you may best serve is different in appearance from mine.

Edited by CharlieP on Jan 4, 2010 - 1:12 AM
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Posted Jan 4, 2010 - 1:15 AM:

I am, in no way, condemning your choice to have your faith. I am, however, announcing my profound and pre-existing lack thereof.
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Posted Jan 4, 2010 - 1:58 AM:

OP, if you're interested, you should read this book by Peter Singer. Granted, I don't quite agree with all that he proposes, he does make a compelling case for altruism. The book is an easy read. It was meant to be 'pop' philosophy, without the technical terms used by many contemporary philosophers.

If you are looking for more hands on kind of books, you should try Rawls' A Theory of Justice to develop a legal basis for defending the need for altruism. Or you can consider Mills' Utilitarianism , a classic basis for helping others (derived from something that might not be as 'pure' as you may think; in Mill, there is no in itself when it comes to helping others, there is an end to it all).

You don't need the bible for any of this.

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Posted Jan 4, 2010 - 2:13 AM:

I disagree with utilitarianism, I think altruism is not specific enough, and I disagree that the bible is not required. You are not giving to others to provide short lived happiness, or utility, and neither do I correct others to make them happy but to make them one with the truth.

Altruism is simply a state of thinking. The question from the OP is why to be altruistic, and more specifically, why to give to those in need, and not a general unselfish caring for others of the feeling of altruism. The Bible specifies altruistic giving of posessions to those in need, truly addressing the question of the OP.
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Posted Jan 4, 2010 - 3:23 AM:

CharlieP wrote:
I disagree with utilitarianism, I think altruism is not specific enough, and I disagree that the bible is not required. You are not giving to others to provide short lived happiness, or utility, and neither do I correct others to make them happy but to make them one with the truth.

Altruism is simply a state of thinking. The question from the OP is why to be altruistic, and more specifically, why to give to those in need, and not a general unselfish caring for others of the feeling of altruism. The Bible specifies altruistic giving of posessions to those in need, truly addressing the question of the OP.

The bible ISN'T philosophically sound. You might as well quote Aesop fables.
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Posted Jan 16, 2010 - 10:14 PM:

I disagree with the fundemental beliefs of the bible because they preech self sacrifice over self love.

It regards all men as inherently evil and treats them so.

From a political point of view, chrisitanity is the perfect way to pacify a population. What better way to subdue a race of men and women then by turning them into agents who live not for themselves, but neglect their own happiness for the servitude of others..

What better way to cultivate an enviroment of fear, then with the ominpotent threat of hell.. What better way instill guilt by condemming the nature of man.


But no, I say that it is the responsibility of every man and woman to live for their own happiness.





Heaven and hell on earth.
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Posted Jan 16, 2010 - 10:23 PM:

A very simple way of looking at this asking yourself that if you were needy, would you like some help?

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Posted Jan 17, 2010 - 4:24 PM:

I think people ask this question if they themselves have never been in need.

Does it hurt to look into the eyes of the homeless? tattered in rags, bedraggled, holding onto that cup as if it were his only chance on earth?

Then have some compassion.

This is not a question of ethics. It is a question of human decency.
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Posted Jan 17, 2010 - 7:30 PM:

Why "should" I help those in need? I shouldn't.

Do I want to help others based on the way I understand the world works, that's an open question.

In a prisoner dilemma, if every individual play by their personal optimal strategy, everyone loses. In this case, assume the outcome of a society where everyone help those in need pays off better than a society where nobody help those in need. If everyone play by their personal optimal strategy, to not help and expect others to do so, then the worst of the 2 outcome is inevitable.
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Posted Jan 18, 2010 - 9:12 PM:

Solipsists see no compulsion to share.
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