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Posted 07/06/09 - 12:54 PM: Subject: Where's My Argument?	#1
Where's my argument? Is that my argument? It goes (1) God is something of which nothing greater can be thought. (2) God may exist in the understanding. (3) It is greater to exist in reality and in the understanding than just in understanding. (4) Therefore, God exists in reality It's an ontological argument. That's not my argument. Where's my argument? Is that my argument? It goes (5) If physicalism is true, then it is not possible for there to be a world in which all the physical facts are the same as those of the actual world but in which there are additional facts. (6) But there is a possible world in which all the physical facts are the same as those of our world but in which there are additional facts. (7) Therefore, physicalism is false. It's a zombie argument. That's not my argument. Where's my argument? Is that my argument? It goes (8) I am unable to know the denials of skeptical hypotheses. (9) If I do not know the denials of skeptical hypotheses, then I do not know very much. (10) I do not know very much. It's a skepticism argument. That's not my argument. Where's my argument? Is that my argument? It goes (11) If we know it then it's true. (12) I know that everything is a goat. (13) Therefore everything is a goat. It's a goatism argument. That's my argument! Thanks to Terry Pratchett, the IEP and Wikipedia.

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Posted 07/06/09 - 01:21 PM:	#2
Bravo!
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Posted 07/06/09 - 05:53 PM:	#3
If children get their hands on this book their minds will explode due to the sheer energy output of goatism.
Heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says "Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says "But Doctor... I am Pagliacci." Good joke, everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum... Curtains.

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Posted 07/07/09 - 12:56 AM:	#4
This argument is so compelling I think that Paul can close the Forum. All other debate would be senseless. Meow! GREG but wait... Isn't a goat protoplasma? And everything a goat eats is protoplasma? Thus, "Protoplasmaism", or a "goatism-schism"? Banno help me! I have gone astray. Please not "scapegoatism".
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Posted 07/07/09 - 01:54 PM:	#5
I rather like the idea of a children's book which involves elementary logic. Something a bit more simple than the work of Lewis Carroll, though.
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Posted 07/07/09 - 02:51 PM:	#6
mayor of simpleton wrote: Isn't a goat protoplasma? And everything a goat eats is protoplasma? Thus, "Protoplasmaism", or a "goatism-schism"? Banno help me! I have gone astray. Please not "scapegoatism". When faced with problems such as this, I find it best to go back to first principles. We are certainty that everything is a goat. Therefore protoplasm is a goat. So the conjectured "Protoplasmaism" is simply Goatism, by another name.
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Posted 07/08/09 - 12:09 AM:	#7
Thanks! Than I do not need to worry about "schisism". Points of orientation in a subjective dualistic world are important, even if they may be only illusion. Meow! GREG
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Posted 07/08/09 - 10:36 PM:	#8
Banno wrote: Bravo! Also thanks to Banno and Capra for the punchline. ciceronianus wrote: I rather like the idea of a children's book which involves elementary logic. I believe this kind of book would improve the lives of children everywhere. I just don't believe I could keep a straight face.

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Posted 07/09/09 - 01:33 AM:	#9
Unfortunately you'd need to make this into some sort of playstation game. Kids just cannot seem to find the time and patience to read much anymore. Meow! GREG
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Posted 07/09/09 - 01:36 AM:	#10
'feed the goat"?
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