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When does technology become artificial intelligence?

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Posted 08/16/04 - 07:58 AM:	#21
Consider the scenario that we in the future can build a complete, fully functioning human body, including arranging the brain cells and their connections so that this artificially built person starts of with a life time of memories. "If" we could, in other words we know how we work totally then yes. But it is the biggest if in the history of ifs.

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Posted 08/16/04 - 08:51 AM:	#22
AKG wrote: So, some humans won't pass the Turing Test. A machine shouldn't have to be able to pass all the tests, and "creativity" is a vague concept, so I don't know how you can know for sure that not all humans can pass a creativity test. I didn't necessarily mean artistic creativity, but more of a problem solving creativity. And not all humans should be considered intelligent anyways. I fear the implications of not defining all humans as intelligent. Humanity has done enough to punish those who aren't as "superior" as whatever ingroup they belong to. The idea that some humans aren't intelligent [and not in the having smarts sense, but in the unable to ever have knowledge] might give what seems to be moral justification to human classes. [Think "The Time Machine"] Seeing as the superior attitude we take towards animals is based solely on either religion, or intelligence. AKG wrote: This is the problem. Reacting "humanly" doesn't mean reacting intelligently. The Borg from Star Trek would be considered a very intelligent species with very un-human, very machine-like speech. Well the reason that the Turing test is chosen as a good test for intelligence is that the only definition of 'intelligence' that we have is based on human standards. If the Borg were an unspeaking, unhumaniod, species living in domination on a single planet without technology we might not be so quick to judge them as 'intelligent.' With the introduction of the nueral net and parrellel processing computers have taken on more 'intelligent' characteristics. [like learning, making mistakes, more unpredictable decision making, etc] Here is a good book on the subject of the advancement of AI. AKG wrote: I don't see why you would fear such a thing, but that's a personal emotional reaction -- not very relevant. Moreover, there are people who couldn't pass the Turing Test today I'm sure. Well like I said above it is the idea of an inequality of man being used for bad purposes. But like you said it is a personal feeling and rather irrelevant.
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Posted 08/16/04 - 03:00 PM:	#23
zephos wrote: the reason that the Turing test is chosen as a good test for intelligence is that the only definition of 'intelligence' that we have is based on human standards. If the Borg were an unspeaking, unhumaniod, species living in domination on a single planet without technology we might not be so quick to judge them as 'intelligent.' With the introduction of the nueral net and parrellel processing computers have taken on more 'intelligent' characteristics. [like learning, making mistakes, more unpredictable decision making, etc] The lesson from the chess-playing supercomputers is that machine 'intelligence' is quite different in nature than human intelligence, and that it has the potential to be enormously greater. Even at best we have limited memory, and linear logical thought, as much as we value it, is vastly inferior to almost error-free mechanical logic in both speed and depth. The AI theory and technology is incomplete, but it is moving forward little by little, as improving, affordable technology permits. Eventually, robots will have improved perception, including infrared, sonar, and others. Independent decision making will be built in. But emotions, volition, and intention are probably not desirable, and will differentiate the Borg from people.
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Posted 08/16/04 - 05:08 PM:	#24
OnceFlewOver wrote: When does technology become artificial intelligence? ... When it is not artificial anymore Technology becomes "artificial" when it is man-made, but intelligence is, in fact, self-generating. If intelligence generates itself, then immediately after initiation (if possible) it would not be "artificial" (=man-made) anymore.

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Posted 08/17/04 - 10:59 PM:	#25
I think that if we are to automate the means of production so much to the point that no humans are even in the process at all, we as a society could become "slaves" to technology. In "I, Robots" you have 'intelligent' robots building robots and other things. If the technology ever gets to the point where it can further itself without human intervention, there could be problems. I do not believe that "A.I" would seek to destroy us, because A.I is based on a system designed to be perfect. A perfect sytem would seek to grow and understand, therefore, machines would seek to understand humans, which becomes impossible for them because of the irrational part of humanity, something a perfect system could not understand, but would seek to indefinitely.

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Posted 08/17/04 - 11:03 PM:	#26
what if it wishes to understand how each and everyone of us are built, at the molecular level?

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Posted 08/17/04 - 11:16 PM:	#27
A large problem I am noticing in this thread is we are all commenting on computers as they pertain today, silicon chips, mathemtical equations, etc.. This will reach its limits. Atomic computing is the next wave, communicating electrons and protons will be able to perform an infinite number of tasks and at infinite rate, however, I bring to the table a new and rather complex thought, the 'soul'. I'm not speaking in biblical reference. I speak of the drive within all human beings. The urge to question and grow. Will an atomic connection of molecules passing information experience emotion? Ask questions? Be ethical? Further thought on this will hopefully shed some light. (I would go further but I'm tired)

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Posted 08/17/04 - 11:18 PM:	#28
[QUOTE=megashawn]what if it wishes to understand how each and everyone of us are built, at the molecular level? They would already understand our physical workings, as a result of them being made of the same "substances" as us, I believe they would be more interested in the constant human grapple with the world around us.

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Posted 08/20/04 - 03:33 PM:	#29
some programs can make decisions based upon the recognition of patterns that humans cant grasp. Neural nets etc.

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Posted 08/20/04 - 04:16 PM:	#30
Why are you discussing about the moment when A.I. is A.I.? It is just a standardisation. Its like the square/circle thing. A square is defined a square when it has a distinct pattern. A square can never be a circle etc. A.I. will be specifically defined aswell at the moment we create it and say: Oh, i think we have A.I. here, lets put it in the records. Spending time on thinking about what the standard for A.I. could be seems rather oblique to me, bobbling endless discussions. The right question for now is though, what will A.I. be like? How, when and where's? What are your thoughts about A.I.? Primary hypothesis that i have about A.I. are the following: I think that we will create A.I., and even to such extend that it the A. wil loose its tendency, beyond artificial, a new vessel for consciousness if you want. How that we will bring it that far, is a hypothesis that i prefer not to conclude upon. Maybe it will be advanced bionics, electronics, altered DNA steams... the future choice in science will be based on so many things that a suggestion would be too variable. films alike Matrix, I Robot; I don't think that we will ever be confronted with our own recreation (of AI). I think this, because, if you look back in history, none of the things that we have created so far, have posed a treath to the existence of humanity. Experiements have been done and death did occur, but we were always one step ahead. Both material as mental. By the time we have created Conscious AI on earth, most of the human race will be dancing chachacha somewhere in the Ort Cloud. IF then, something would go wrong, the treath to whole humanity will still be out of reach.

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