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Posted 04/25/04 - 10:05 AM:	#61
What reason would they have to even start thinking about the existence of light in the first place when sound and feel represent differetniations- Have you ever walked down a long hallway with windows at intervals, and when you walked past them, the sunlight streaming in felt warm on your skin, but when you passed them, you were cooler again? That'd be my first clue about radiation at least. I'm not sure that it would ever be feasible to know that there is such a thing as visible light, or that colors exist--but then, I'm not that versed in quantifiying such things.

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Posted 04/26/04 - 08:19 PM:	#62
Interesting beginning to the debate. Distortion's 'Big Band Theory' typo was v. amusing, conjuring up all sorts of images of fat men wearing red striped suits and straw hats playing jazz as the universe began. Very hitchhikers..! I perceive Blunder's greatest error so far to be his refusal to understand the validity of D's 'pink elephants' argument. The idea that we could postulate a vast number of different theories as to the form of a supernatural force that created the universe, with none of them being more or less likely than each other is a difficult question to overcome. By refusing to answer it perhaps the game is already up for B. If he cannot convince us that his version of God is more likely to have created the universe than a herd of pink elephants then he is in a bit of trouble methinks. What happened to the daily post rule, anyway? The other debate seems to have slowed down to a snail's pace, too. f
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Posted 04/26/04 - 09:36 PM:	#63
So far we're 0 for 2. For whatever reason, Distortion was unable to keep to the debate schedule. As he did not contact me to request an extension, the debate is over.

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Posted 04/26/04 - 09:53 PM:	#64
Well as of May 11th I am freed from certain commitments (a week long road trip into the wilds ) and would be happy to take part in a debate. I cannot post at weekends, though. So, if anyone dares challenge the man filter to a debate, now is the time to do it! Gambarumba! I suggest "Conservation as cultural colonialism" and am happy to argue either side (although I imagine this title will be snorted at by some as not proper philosophy!). If anyone is up for it, let me (or even better Interlocutor) know. ok folks, keep it clean f
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Posted 04/30/04 - 12:35 AM:	#65
I read quickly through the debate and it seemed to founder on a very fundamental disagreement as to topic. Each side was saying "My position MIGHT be true; you can't prove that your position MUST be true; so you lose." Obviously, the critieria for victory were not agreed upon.
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Posted 05/05/04 - 09:53 AM:	#66
Good point to make there, Curt.

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Posted 06/11/04 - 07:18 AM:	#67
LordHenryWotton wrote: If a tree falls in the forest and nobodies there to hear it, does it make a sound? If God exists but doesn't do anything in our universe, does this deity leave a mark? Truth does not depend on human perseption. Things can exist without human beings experiencing them. What if you had an person who could only hear, and had no other way of experiencing the universe. And someone who could see saw a cliff that produced an echo. If no one was experiencing the cliff, and the guy who could only hear yelled. Wouldn't the sound still echo even though no one was experiencing the cliff?
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Posted 07/05/04 - 05:39 PM:	#68
Is it just me or that was the WORST attempt at "is there god" debate??? The first post went on about how something will be shown without ever showing anything at all, and they ended up just talking about what it is that will be shown, all foreplay and no sex In my opinion a debate must only incampus an already accepted reasoning as to why God exists, a good place to start would be the "Watch in the desert" aka "Inteligence must be made by inteligence" aka "Teleological" argument. Now that would be interesting, with less chance of far out deviation
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Posted 07/05/04 - 05:56 PM:	#69
The point of a debate such as this one is not so much about winning or losing, as the topic is defined in a way that makes that impossible. Rather, the point is to present your case in as compelling a way as possible.
But who is to guard the guards themselves?

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Posted 07/05/04 - 06:36 PM:	#70
I disagree Spam, the point is to brutalize each others position with as much logic and evidence and reason and substantiation as both sides can muster until one of the other wins out. In the case of this debate, I just unfortunately didn't have time to make the post when it needed to be made (24 hour time limit, but I coudln't even make it in a 3 day period), but it's ancient history now! I wish I could do it again but I'm hardly going to try to do it again in lieu of the spectatular mess this one has become. Unfortunately philosophyforums isn't the most important thing in my life, and I never know what's going to come up. I suppose if Bluster was still around, I'd make my post now and 'continue' the debate - but I don't know if he is still up for it
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