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Posted 01/07/09 - 09:35 PM:
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Thanks, I try to use only the words that make the most sense to everyone.

So, what are the Yin and Yang of metal? Mainstream 'non-conformity' versus the rejection of what's popular? I guess I'm not really sure how you deduced this analogy.

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Posted 01/09/09 - 03:42 PM:
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It is an outdated theory, maybe, but according to Hegel art captures the idea in the form of the intuition. It reflects the spirit, but not in comprehension, but in an immediate form, not yet reflected. Lets take this as a starting point to reflect on heavy metal. It is an odd musical genre. It is associated with glorifying violence and even satanism. But what is it that heavy metal reflects? What spirit in our age does it capture? If we take the humble beginnings of heavy metal it seems that it was an outlet for disenfranchised youth, a counter culture.

That doesn't explain everything though. Why would this youth have a thing for biblical inspired texts and sometimes quite complex music? It seems that somewhere along the way heavy metal took a turn. If we see the genre nowadays it has taken up quite a lord of the rings kind of spirit. Much of heavy metal now ahs a romatic spirit and took elements considered sacrilegious, like keyboards, female voices, romantic themes. It is a far cry from the roughness of Motorhead, Slayer and ACDC. What is it in heavy metal that caused it to change? It must have something to do with the interplay between our times and the music, but I don't get it. The music that once tried to be as masculine that it became a cliche, now became romantic in spirit. Even black metal has allowed tapistry of keyboards.

How come working class music could become the music for romantically inclined outcasts with a philosophical bend? Can it be that heavy metal stood for everything these kids were not, but by becoming their music, it became more like them? Or is it that being a social outcast has become the norm and the music reflects its popularity with larger audiences? Can it be that the introduction of women in the heavy metal scene played a part? Nowadays even the outcast has its niche and can even became a hero. Women became interested in the music and it acomodated, creating a more romantic spirit.


As a fan of metal, I feel it is important to distance my favorite genre from the connotation/stereotypes that accompany "kids" and "youth." Past the more mainstream examples of the genre, many metal musicians are well read and classically trained artists. Allusions to literature are prevalent in most styles, specifically progressive metal, and exploration of nihilist philosophy can be found in both black and death metal.
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Posted 01/09/09 - 07:50 PM:
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vykk_draygo wrote:
Thanks, I try to use only the words that make the most sense to everyone.

So, what are the Yin and Yang of metal? Mainstream 'non-conformity' versus the rejection of what's popular? I guess I'm not really sure how you deduced this analogy.


Sure thing.

Ah, the purpose was that there has been an equally 'lighter side' to metal, as their has 'dark' or 'evil', since they have both been around the same amount of years. I still think this is the case today. I think of it as a Yin & Yang. The many 'shadaes of grey', of course, are the many artists who play metal, who are obviously in between somewhere.

I agree, taylor. =/ All these 'high school' genres and stereotypes drive me nuts. Why can't it just be *insert band name here*? shaking head It's like their turning music into a bureaucracy. sticking out tongue FAIL. lol

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Posted 01/10/09 - 12:04 AM:
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I see. Could you give me an example of lighter versus darker metal? I can imagine what the darker stuff would be, but I have a hard time imagining what 'light' metal would sound like. I mean, is it still HEAVY metal, in the true sense of the word? When it comes down to it, anything that is actually light enough to contrast significantly with something that is definitively heavy metal is really just muddying the lines between genres. Say, metal blended with jazz or classical, if that's what you're getting at. That's a good thing, though. I don't know what I'd do without reggae-ska-funk. smiling face

Maybe, Black Sabbath (blues metal) versus Emperor (black metal)?

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Posted 01/10/09 - 02:03 AM:
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Thanks for the replies guys. I like them a lot. It is not my intention to bash heavy metal. I am listeing to it as I write this post. I like the idea of a ying and tang to metal and I also like the ideas of a "darker aspect of the soul" and the exploration if nhilist philosophical themes. A few things startle me about heavy metal First of all the minimal level of its lyrical content. Lets say it did indeed become an expression of the darker side of the soul. Why then, does it such a bad job of the lyrics? Where is the Leonard Cohen of metal? The Goths have Andrew Elridge of the sisters of mercy, a great writer, the alternatives have Nick Cave. Metal seems to fall short in its capture of the darker side of the spirit it seems to me. At least in the beginning there was Sabbath and Iron Maiden, they could do it. Later on it seems it lost its track so to speak and by trying to become so "dangerous" it lost the critical edge it could have. No one takes lyrics about drawing out the finger nails of Christians (Dimmu Borgir) remotely serious I hope. If I miss a truly great metal tekst of the darker side of the soul please notify me (seriousy) . Solefald might be an exception actually. The greats of the genre of black, thrash etc seems to have nothing to offer in this regard.

This makes me think, metal is not really dangerous. That is because the people that listen to it aren't really dangerous. They are mostly disaffected outcast kids with a slight philosophical bend. Many people might be attracted to the musical craftsmenship. I can't judge that. But the soul of metal, what would that be? I don't think it is really dangerous. I think it is escapist. It is like watching a movie and identifying with the main hero, without being that hero. That is the feeling I get from heavy metal. Metal heads in fact lack all sorts of danger, they will not change anything. In return they delve in a musical genre which creates fairy tale and horror world to dwell into, but which say nothing about the world in actuality. The fact that its exploration of nihilist themes is shoddy is not due to bad philosophising, but because the genre itself lends itself to it. That makes heavy metal an apathic genre which does not do a good job of reflecting the idea in Hegelian terms.

As a fan of heavy metal I enter this exploration, not as criticaster of it. Could it find a way to get out of its own contradiction? The contradiction being that it presents itself as dangerous, but is in fact completely harmless.

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Posted 01/10/09 - 10:34 AM:
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When you say that heavy metal is "escapist," I agree wholeheartedly. Most of the metalheads I know are, in general, some of the shyest, nicest, and most friendly people I've ever met. Maybe a bit crude around the edges, but mostly pacifistic and peaceful. It seems to me like they rely on metal as a release from the harsh realities of the world, like their own personal counter against everything they despise.
I also agree that metal has really lost its edge. Like I said in my first post, I cant listen to anything where all you hear is screaming. That's not music. That's just garbage. Any dark-hearted fool can strike a minor chord and tear their lungs and throats apart. It takes a real musician to come up with something truly original.

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Posted 01/10/09 - 04:29 PM:
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As for lighter metal...I think something along the lines of Agalloch would fit that nicely..

For lyrical sophistication, I would recommend the following bands: Pain of Salvation, Vanden Plas, Green Carnation, In The Woods..., Disillusion, Opeth (specifically My Arms, Your Hearse and Still Life), Wolves In The Throne Room, Queensryche's Operation: Mindcrime, Ayreon, Symphony X, Arcturus, Tool, Devin Townsend, Isis, Origin, Nile, and Anathema. Although only about two of their releases could be considered metal, Porcupine Tree fits the bill nicely as well.

Oh, also, Vykk, two things. First off, Black Sabbath is doom, not blues metal. Secondly, I think you will find most of the Jazz-Metal hybrid bands are some of the heaviest out there. Try Cynic, Death, and (my favorite) Atheist. As for classical-metal bands, most of the groups I have mentioned in this post use classical instrumentation and structure in one way or another.

Sorry, I really like this stuff.
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Posted 01/10/09 - 10:24 PM:
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Don't apologize, your opinion is relevant.

First of all, thats a great list and I may have to check some of them out. The only ones I know are Opeth, Tool, Origin, and Nile.
Second, I don't know much about metal but I would have to call Black Sabbath blues metal because its a strong blend of the two genres. All of their songs are done in blues scales, just with more doom, as you say. But lets not argue about classification.
I guess I already knew that some metal bands use classical techniques and such. Especially Apocalyptica. I didn't know about jazz metal though. (Death... really?)

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Posted 01/16/09 - 08:03 PM:
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I performed 'Where is my mind' by the Pixies the other day, and someone called it death metal. Guess I need to work on my vocals...
I listen to a bit of metal, and definitely agree about the escapism aspect. When I listen to my favourite, Burzum, I'm in a nasty old forest.

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Posted 01/20/09 - 08:49 AM:
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Music is frequently good for one's emotional balance. Many frustrated people, who repress feelings of anger etc, find 'angry music' useful and enjoyable.

Where 'metal' has evolved in to more melodic, or more peaceful forms it is usually due to the followers growing and changing, which could mean that angry frustrated youths grew up and settled down, or that the image was attractive to folk who really aren't in to the aggressive side of the music.

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