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Posted 05/09/09 - 01:36 AM:	#361
Banno wrote: isn't that what I said? (Incidentally, check out the creator of that Wiki page...) (This link here...http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Redundancy_theory_of_truth&oldid=19894280 )
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Posted 05/09/09 - 01:42 AM:	#362
Banno wrote: isn't that what I said? You tell me.

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Posted 05/09/09 - 01:52 AM:	#363
Yep, that's what I said.
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Posted 05/09/09 - 03:30 AM:	#364
boagie wrote: All that is inferred from modern physics is the possibility that ultimate reality is not a reality of thingness, but is the material of which thingness comes into being through the process of the mind or consciousness. If consciousness can produce a world it would seems to me it could produce a body/biology. I do realize how strange this idea is, but with the findings of physics that the distance between two particials no matter how great, there is maintained instant communication inferring in fact that there is indeed no distance between them. Also that matter itself is not made of elemental stuff, or another form of matter--as strange as these things maybe, the wonder would be, that there is no speculations as to the intangible nature of reality. This thread is about truth however, if anyone can give me an example of truth reached by a different means than through a conscious subject/biology I am all ears. Ah damn it I knew I shouldn't have asked that question! Instead I should have asked about "thingness" and communication between particles--or "particials" (I really have to ask, sorry, is that a typo?!). In all seriousness I have no idea what you're talking about. What determines biology?
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Posted 05/09/09 - 03:44 AM:	#365
Banno wrote: Yep, that's what I said. what you said was : "The cat is in the box" is true iff the cat is in the box I take it "The cat is in the box" is a proposition in a object language, while cat is in the box is a proposition in metalanguage. I don ` t think they are the same thing.

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Posted 05/09/09 - 10:25 AM:	#366
sensabile, Well, if ultimate reality is not composed of thingness/objects then biology must like everything else in apparent reality depend on consciousness. I know where did consciousness come from? It is a good question but one must remember consciousness is not material. We do know that apparent reality is a biological readout, some people have great difficulty even with this, but our senses not only enable they also limit.I am surprised at being jeered at by people at a philosophy site for having the quality of wonder-- this by the way is not directed at you. Even for me this is exotic terrain and much of the time seeming non-sensical but by definition free speculation and wonder do not trod the well beaten path. So, the source of biology is consciousness, and ultimate reality is inferred to be that field of consciousness. Edited by boagie on 05/09/09 - 10:33 AM
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Posted 05/09/09 - 11:24 AM:	#367
boagie wrote: sensabile, Well, if ultimate reality is not composed of thingness/objects then biology must like everything else in apparent reality depend on consciousness. I know where did consciousness come from? It is a good question but one must remember consciousness is not material. We do know that apparent reality is a biological readout, some people have great difficulty even with this, but our senses not only enable they also limit.I am surprised at being jeered at by people at a philosophy site for having the quality of wonder-- this by the way is not directed at you. Even for me this is exotic terrain and much of the time seeming non-sensical but by definition free speculation and wonder do not trod the well beaten path. So, the source of biology is consciousness, and ultimate reality is inferred to be that field of consciousness. Nobody knows anything about ultimate reality. It is just a delusion people have when they self-masturbate on the notion that they could have certainty and peace of mind. Edited by Fenchurch on 05/12/09 - 06:02 AM. Reason: capitalization, incorrect idiom.

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Posted 05/16/09 - 02:31 PM:	#368
Isn't it curious how threads of reasonable length tend to dissipate into bits of unrelated drivel? Ending with a whimper, not a flash of insight.
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Posted 05/16/09 - 08:49 PM:	#369
Banno wrote: Isn't it curious how threads of reasonable length tend to dissipate into bits of unrelated drivel? Ending with a whimper, not a flash of insight. I think it's inevitable. Those that have the insight see that everything necessary has been said; it is left to those without insight to carry on misunderstanding. I usually find that everything after my last post is superfluous, don't you?
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Posted 05/20/09 - 12:28 PM:	#370
A statement is true under two circumstances. 1): If it corresponds to a definition. For example, if mathematicians say that a number raised to an exponent with a value of zero equals 1, that is the truth. There is no way to disprove this statement. and 2): If it is an instantaneous statement regarding an appearance. For example, if I see a flower at a given moment, I have a right to say that I am perceiving what I know as a flower. If my statement is about the past or the future, I am no longer correct for certain, because I can't predict the future, and that past could be my imagination. However, if it is about the instant at hand, it is certain.

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