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Posted 05/08/09 - 05:10 AM:	#351
"I can't see a way to make sense of this. It just appears confused." No I do not think you can. Either try a little harder or move on.
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Posted 05/08/09 - 06:49 AM:	#352
What determines biology? Hmmm...I'm not sure what kind of answer I can expect.
For the winner there was a big three-legged cauldron to stand over a fire - it was worth a dozen oxen by the Greek's reckoning - and for the loser he brought forward a woman thoroughly trained in domestic work whom they valued at four oxen. -Homer's The Illiad Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can you make it salty again? -Mark 9:50

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Posted 05/08/09 - 07:05 AM:	#353
The dog bit the cat who bit the mouse who bit the man who kicked the dog who bit the cat...
For the winner there was a big three-legged cauldron to stand over a fire - it was worth a dozen oxen by the Greek's reckoning - and for the loser he brought forward a woman thoroughly trained in domestic work whom they valued at four oxen. -Homer's The Illiad Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can you make it salty again? -Mark 9:50

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Posted 05/08/09 - 02:26 PM:	#354
boagie wrote: "I can't see a way to make sense of this. It just appears confused." No I do not think you can. Either try a little harder or move on. Yep. There is no other reasonable response to incoherence.
Davidson: We make maximum sense of the words and thoughts of others when we interpret in a way that optimizes agreement. Russel Morris: There's a meaning there, but the meaning there doesn't really mean a thing... Ned: Such is life

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Posted 05/08/09 - 07:36 PM:	#355
sensabile wrote: What determines biology? Hmmm...I'm not sure what kind of answer I can expect. All that is inferred from modern physics is the possibility that ultimate reality is not a reality of thingness, but is the material of which thingness comes into being through the process of the mind or consciousness. If consciousness can produce a world it would seems to me it could produce a body/biology. I do realize how strange this idea is, but with the findings of physics that the distance between two particials no matter how great, there is maintained instant communication inferring in fact that there is indeed no distance between them. Also that matter itself is not made of elemental stuff, or another form of matter--as strange as these things maybe, the wonder would be, that there is no speculations as to the intangible nature of reality. This thread is about truth however, if anyone can give me an example of truth reached by a different means than through a conscious subject/biology I am all ears. Edited by boagie on 05/08/09 - 07:52 PM
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Posted 05/09/09 - 12:35 AM:	#356
Banno wrote: The discussion of hands, and of certainty, on related threads has led me to ponder again the nature of truth. What is it for a statement to be true? You forgot the deflationary of truth. Namely, there is no such thing as true. The typical illustration of the theory is that: p is true is the same as p. or "cat is in the box" is true iff "cat is in the box "

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Posted 05/09/09 - 12:59 AM:	#357
RosenP wrote: "cat is in the box" is true iff "cat is in the box " It should be "The cat is in the box" is true iff the cat is in the box. Check out my other thread on certainty and the one on theories of truth for more on this topic.
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Posted 05/09/09 - 01:04 AM:	#358
boagie wrote: All that is inferred from modern physics is the possibility that ultimate reality is not a reality of thingness, Can you explain, for us poor illiterates, what "thingness" is?
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Posted 05/09/09 - 01:15 AM:	#359
Banno wrote: It should be "The cat is in the box" is true iff the cat is in the box. Check out my other thread on certainty and the one on theories of truth for more on this topic. NO! I was not trying to make the distinction between meta, and object language. e.g: "According to the redundancy theory of truth, or the disquotational theory of truth, asserting that a statement is true is completely equivalent to asserting the statement itself. For example, asserting the sentence " 'Snow is white' is true" is equivalent to asserting the sentence "Snow is white". " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redundancy_theory_of_truth

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Posted 05/09/09 - 01:18 AM:	#360
RosenP wrote: NO! I was not trying to make the distinction between meta, and object language. isn't that what I said? (Incidentally, check out the creator of that Wiki page...)
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