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Posted 04/19/09 - 09:48 PM:	#231
Banno wrote: If it is not difficult, tell me to what "I have a pain in my foot" corresponds? (Does it correspond to the beetle in the box, perhaps?) Easy- the pain in your foot!

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Posted 04/19/09 - 10:04 PM:	#232
If the truth is relative to the individual, depending on the circumstance, then there are many answers to this question. It may be defined or explained, but the definitions and explinations may not be the truth. What is Truth? Edited by g-mark on 04/20/09 - 12:17 AM

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Posted 04/19/09 - 11:14 PM:	#233
g-mark wrote: If the truth is relative tot he individual, depending on the circumstance, then there are many answers to this question. It may be defined or explained, but the definitions and explinations may not be the truth. What is Truth? Assume the cat is on the mat. Could two people, who know what cats and mats are, and what it is for one thing to be on another thing, and in clear view of the cat on the mat, really disagree about whether or not the cat is on the mat? Would they disagree about whether it's true that the cat is on the mat?

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Posted 04/20/09 - 12:17 AM:	#234
Schlitz wrote: Banno wrote: If it is not difficult, tell me to what "I have a pain in my foot" corresponds? (Does it correspond to the beetle in the box, perhaps?) Easy- the pain in your foot! I was going to say that! I thought it was too obvious and I had missed Banno's point.
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Posted 04/20/09 - 12:25 AM:	#235
@Schlitz: They would not agree or disagree. They would debate other points. Some would argue if the cat and the mat are really there. Other would argue this point'and know what it is for one thing to be on another thing'. Because language is an extremely complex form of communication, there will always openings for interpretation. Some people may interpret this staement to mean something completely differen't. Can you apply this logic/reasoning to morality?

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Posted 04/20/09 - 08:24 AM:	#236
bert1 wrote: Easy- the pain in your foot! I was going to say that! I thought it was too obvious and I had missed Banno's point. [/quote] No, you didn't miss any point. I have to agree with Fenchurch, that the exchange between Banno and J.R. Hacker makes some silly mistakes (with all due respect, of course), especially to assume as self-evident that a pain can't be the object of reference.

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Posted 04/20/09 - 08:51 AM:	#237
Banno wrote: If it is not difficult, tell me to what "I have a pain in my foot" corresponds? (Does it correspond to the beetle in the box, perhaps?) If it's not ineffable or private as you claim then you tell me what it corresponds to or retract your claim that it's not ineffable or private.

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Posted 04/20/09 - 09:23 AM:	#238
Random wrote You are experiencing changes in your physiology which is all that exists. Do you mean only physical stuff exists? Love, pain, beauty, etc are just subjective feelings. There are no pains just like there is no love, only feelings. The words don't refer to actual things Don't the words refer (in part) to the physiological structure that experiences the feeings? .

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Posted 04/20/09 - 09:27 AM:	#239
ragus wrote: Do you mean only physical stuff exists? Yes. ragus wrote: Don't the words refer (in part) to the physiological structure that experiences the feeings? You mean your brain?

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Posted 04/20/09 - 09:37 AM:	#240
Random wrote You mean your brain? Some part of the brain? But this means that feelings are embodied and are states rather than things. In this sense feelings are objective but can only be experienced from within.

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