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Posted 04/16/09 - 03:11 PM:	#141
J. Random Hacker wrote: Propositions are declarative statements that have a truth-value. An imperative statement such as "go do your homework" doesn't have a truth-value. That's why we should bother. It makes our language more precise. I'm not sure what your point was, however. I have a dislike for philosophical inventions. Go ahead and use propositions if you like. I will still talk of statements, and in the main I will mean declaratives. It's a side issue, but one that was worth marking, since it may come up again.
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Posted 04/16/09 - 03:16 PM:	#142
kkiiji wrote: For me, all I know is there's these phenomenal experiences being experienced in the present, that's it. We can categorize and name these experiences, but anything beyond that is metaphysics. Love this sort of stuff. Where I see a cat, Kkiiji "has a phenomenal experience in the present that can be categorized and named as a cat, but anything beyond that is metaphysics..." Doubtless, Kkiiji used to see cats, but then he went and read some philosophy... Philosophy messes with your mind. Wittgenstein can help you to see cats again.
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Posted 04/16/09 - 03:19 PM:	#143
XD I've actually never read any phenomenology, I just borrowed the terms to describe personal observations. I still see cats man, but I can no longer assume that they exist in some type of external world in absolute space/time possessing distinct properties such as colors.
Heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says "Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says "But Doctor... I am Pagliacci." Good joke, everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum... Curtains.

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Posted 04/16/09 - 03:29 PM:	#144
kkiiji wrote: Banno, could your explanation have anything to do with honesty? The word is of good Germanic origin, meaning in good faith; same as troth, truce, and a few other words. To say it is true is to say you can trust me on this...
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Posted 04/16/09 - 03:31 PM:	#145
Goes back to page 7 of 15 Banno Wrote: ... Stanford Wrote: .... it would follow that any sentence s that corresponds to any fact corresponds to every fact; so that all true sentences .... From dictonary.com: Axiom: 1. a self-evident truth that requires no proof. 2. a universally accepted principle or rule. 3. Logic, Mathematics. a proposition that is assumed without proof for the sake of studying the consequences that follow from it. Mmm... Cats... Well... If I pull arguments from things already made. I'd argue Wittgenstein X The Big Fact; as my primary system. ([A x B] -> C) If we were to make another thread, The most logical aspect would be to run through a word that is a plurality for extrapulation. Edited by Cadrache on 04/16/09 - 03:36 PM. Reason: added stuff.
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Posted 04/16/09 - 03:32 PM:	#146
kkiiji wrote: I still see cats man, but I can no longer assume that they exist in some type of external world in absolute space/time possessing distinct properties such as colors. But that wasn't a problem for you, once. What turned you into an insecure homunculus, afraid to assert the independent existence of cats?
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Posted 04/16/09 - 03:38 PM:	#147
I'm not "afraid" to assert it, I simply find it to be outdated metaphysics. This idea of independent existences has no basis except our natural inclination, and contemplation about what it means for a cat to exist independently in an absolute universe of absolute objects will reveal the uncertainty. It only takes three steps really: color, absolute space/time, and fundamentally deterministic relationships. None of these really exist to the fullest extent.
Heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says "Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says "But Doctor... I am Pagliacci." Good joke, everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum... Curtains.

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Posted 04/16/09 - 03:38 PM:	#148
Cadrache wrote: Goes back to page 7 of 15 Nuh. Can't follow this either. I must be having a "thick" day. That would also explain why I am being so mean to Kkiiji. There are two assumptions in the argument; neither is taken as axiomatic, I think. Can you spell out your objection, as for a three-year-old?
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Posted 04/16/09 - 03:41 PM:	#149
kkiiji wrote: It only takes three steps really: color, absolute space/time, and fundamentally deterministic relationships. None of these really exist to the fullest extent. I agree. None of these exist. But nothing in that leads to the conclusion that cats don't exist. And cats, as any owner will tell you, are quite independent.
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Posted 04/16/09 - 03:43 PM:	#150
Lol. There's the kitty! Go get it! Ya... but not right now... not quite enough time left at work to type it up.
Words the wiser become the name you do not know. - Some guy with a surname Blanchard. _____________________________________________ Truth is want. - The internal state of matters. Truth is Need. - The external state of affairs.

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