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Time travelling paradox and my problem

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2 of 2 people found this post helpful Posted 11/23/08 - 02:22 PM: Subject: Time travelling paradox and my problem	#1
Hello, I've been interested on the topic about time travelling and I've found up a problem that I'd like to share and see others opinions. It's openly connected to the grandfather's paradox of time traveling. But the problem goes on, actually the same own paradox does not explain the nature of time or if there's a relative time or a more unchangeable time. The problem is: So let's say that a guy wanted to travel back in time to change it. Doing it he didn't travel back in his own time but he did travel in another "dimension"'s time, if the the dimension is the right term. Changing the others dimension time he did not change the time from his dimension at all but he caused damage to the others people time. That would led to the conclusion that the time is not changeable, or if it is, it does not affect the time traveler time. Even if he wants to return back to his own time he couldn't. Example: A=time traveler A(1)= time traveler subject(the tt in another dimension) A time: ---------------------------------------- A(1) time: ------------------------------------- A+A(1) meet in A(1) time and A causes a consequence that would change the time:----------------/----------------------- So after the consequence the A(1) time is changed but not his own, except that he did disappear from his own time in an unnatural way.

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Posted 11/23/08 - 04:34 PM:	#2
Yes,no. The problem with switching dimensions is the assumption that of simultaneity. We make the assumption that universe A timeline happens or happened at the same time as Universe B. In other words we assume that 1960 at 11:45:36AM NYC is the exact same time as Universe B. Since they are seperate univereses, they do not have to follow the exact same value of Time. Universe B could have been created 70 years before Universe A. Currently, we have no way to develop or find a specific 'universe frequency'. Essentially at best is that we can take a specific value for the construction of this universe(our universe) and 'look' for universes with the correct value. This at best only limits the number of possibilities as to which of the multiple universes are accessable through a specific worm hole. Ie. Find all universes where gravity holds sway at the exact values as ours. Find all universes where ionic fields are the exact same as ours. Find all universes that only have X types of atoms that are 'naturally' created within a specific spacial area. Find all uniniverse.... ... . The more we know of this universe; the more we can limit 'infinity'.

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1 of 1 people found this post helpful Posted 11/23/08 - 06:45 PM:	#3
The problem with multiple dimensions is that it requires the acceptance that all the matter and energy in the universe can replicate itself relatively quickly with no loss of energy or matter and a sudden break in influence between two dimensions. How frequently do these dimensions diverge anyway? All this just so you can shoot your own grandfather? It would be a lot easier and cheaper to simply erase all record of his existence. Time is our perception of change. We see a past and a future, but no "now", (because of the finite time requires to perceive what is going on). We construct an imaginary dimension to correlate multiple events -- but relativity shows us that all such correlations are relative to the observer. From our human perspective, we are all traveling through time, forward, and we can adjust the rate at which we travel forward, relative to others, by adjusting acceleration due to changes in velocity or strong gravitational fields. There just isn't any absolute defined "time" to travel against, (Einstein mocks the idea and calls it a "time mollusk").
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Posted 11/24/08 - 04:27 AM: Subject: time, an imagination	#4
Guys time is the greatest human creation. Are seconds minutes hours are tangible? Are they physically existed? Can any one touch theses things? The answer is NO. It’s a human invention. Those 60 seconds adds up to 1 minute is also an arbitrary creation. Their is no mathematical proof that 60 seconds adds up to 1 minute.

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Posted 11/24/08 - 06:05 AM:	#5
The 60 seconds are a Vavilonian creation

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Posted 11/24/08 - 03:16 PM:	#6
Diarhea is the most amazing thing in the world. Before you blink it happens. Even faster then turning on a light bulb. Actually.. I agree/disagree with Swetphe. I agree with his notations, though all you might need to do is include a 'stasis' modifier. The next problem is the consiousness scenerio; which would play a huge role. Is it merely an algorithmn of electric current through a bunch of neurons, or is it more? The alignment issue of atoms might be somewhat negated if you use that 'atom pairing system' where whatever happens to one atom gets' recreated through another atom. The hardest part would be to create the correct momentum of the individual relevant to the new dimension. Where you might be walking NNE in one universe might not be NNE at athe other. Might create a cascade destruction effect of the individual.

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Posted 11/30/08 - 03:43 PM:	#7
I thought Crichton's Timeline had Time Travel down rather well. If we accept Spacetime as not separate, then we must escape space in order to escape time. But in traveling faster than lightspeed, we cease moving through space and space starts moving over us- Relativity? So to travel around time [ie backwards] we would have to move around space; we would have to go around the universe, or existence. Blackholes seem to be a possible gateway; In Sphere, another Michael Crichton work, a spaceship from the future went under an event horizon. Interesting in thought, it also may be the way out. We see the bounds of the universe as an imaginary 'edge,' and we figure FTL speed and blackholes extend into this 'edge' but it may be more accurate to say that these actually bring the 'edge' closer. Space is tightened, not stretched, and thus the slowness of 'time' present at these loci. Crichton's work are fiction, but if there were a relationship between Blackholes, it might very well be possible to go under one and come from under another- a change in not only space but time. It seems impossible to travel through space and time to one's own space and time- but this all hinges on the fact that we can escape reality. Nonsense IMHO. It all hinges on the supposition that reality can be broke- which hinges on the truth that we just don't understand it well enough. If it all made sense, why travel through time? Well, it doesn't make sense, so we play make believe.
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Posted 12/01/08 - 07:56 PM:	#8
Relativity as explained by Einstein is still merely an external viewpoint. The theory itself will take a while yet to be coherent; but over the next few years, we should have a new interactive relationship between atoms that dictate both the time dilation of the atom itself as well as the time dilation between other atoms that agree with some of Einsteins predictions.

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