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This Statement Is False.

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Posted 12/16/07 - 12:05 AM: Subject: This Statement Is False.	#1
Don't know why I posted this topic. Just felt like it. So, This statement is false. Your job is to prove why or why not. An obvious paradox from the beginning, but I just want to see if anyone can come up with a logical explanation for the statement. I honestly have no idea. This is just for fun.
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Posted 12/16/07 - 12:28 AM:	#2
"This statement is false" is not a statement, since it is not either true or false. i.e. if it was a statement then if it is true, then its false, but if it is false then it is true, so if it was a statement, it would be both true and false, which is absurd.
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Posted 12/16/07 - 04:18 AM:	#3
"This statement is false"' OK; I will ignore it.
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Posted 12/16/07 - 06:01 AM:	#4
keda wrote: "This statement is false" is not a statement, since it is not either true or false. i.e. if it was a statement then if it is true, then its false, but if it is false then it is true, so if it was a statement, it would be both true and false, which is absurd. Therefore, a non-statement can be stated, which is absurd; therefore: " "This statement is false" is not a statement, since it is not either true or false. i.e. if it was a statement then if it is true, then its false, but if it is false then it is true, so if it was a statement, it would be both true and false, which is absurd." is not a statement, since it is not either true or false. i.e. if it was a statement then if it is true, then its false, but if it is false then it is true, so if it was a statement, it would be both true and false, which is absurd. Etc.
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Posted 12/16/07 - 06:11 AM:	#5
"This statement is false" has no actual reference, and so cannot be qualified according to some fact or lack-of a fact, and so is neither true nor false. It is nonsensical. It lacks meaning. It is meaningful words arranged into a meaningless sentence.
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Posted 12/16/07 - 09:52 AM:	#6
" "This statement is false" has no actual reference..." has no actual reference...
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Posted 12/16/07 - 11:52 AM:	#7
Inkstain wrote: Don't know why I posted this topic. Just felt like it. So, This statement is false. Your job is to prove why or why not. An obvious paradox from the beginning, but I just want to see if anyone can come up with a logical explanation for the statement. I honestly have no idea. This is just for fun. In a syllogism.... Premise A This statement is false Premise B This statement is not true Conclusion This statement, alone, is without probative value.

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Posted 12/16/07 - 12:48 PM:	#8
"This statement is false." Creates a specific, relative frame of reference. Within the statements intrinsic frame, outside systems need not be applied (that is to say, logic) therefore statements withn the system may be recognised at face value i.e. the statement is false. From the wider perspective of the reader's systems, the statement is false because it does not identify with any of his previous observations or conclusions. Therefore, because that is what the statement says, it is true. "Ta-daaaaaaa!" chirp, chirp
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Posted 12/16/07 - 12:53 PM:	#9
request that this post be moved to philosophy of logic or language. In any case, what's to keep me from accepting that this statement contains both a true truth-value and a false truth-value?
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Posted 12/16/07 - 02:49 PM:	#10
Rules of Logic. Forget which ones, but it's either Law of Non-contradiction, or something about the middle being bad. Logic forum should have the proper procejure... procigure... they'll have the right words, okay!
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