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There is no such thing as nature...

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Posted 10/21/03 - 06:17 PM:	#1
This my seem like philosophical nonsense, but this is meant to be lighthearted and it's there for a good laugh. Nature has been molded by man, there is no longer any known part of "nature" that hasn't been changed or touched by man. Global pollution, and major changes in local environment have changed the "nature" as a whole. So, since we can see that all earthly objects have been changed by man, it is no longer nature, but rather a man made reality. Although man didn't make or in anyway influence the development of said nature, some would make the argument that it is still natural, and not man made. Nature is made from the previous "state" of nature. The current state of "nature" arouse from the previous state of nature...And since man has changed all of current nature, the next "nature" will be a product of man... Which raises the question can something be part man made, part nature. If so won't there come a point when all nature leaves the cycle, and the present "nature" will infact be all man? This Franco Thinks so, do you? Remember, when this has proliferated throught the world, and the epigone's claim it for there own, it was all started by this Franco...

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Posted 10/21/03 - 08:01 PM:	#2
Men come from nature. Also, aren't there other animals that effect the ecosystem? Since we've had a fractionally larger effect that makes us somehow special? We are nature. We are a natural occurance. We are a part of the system.
"...what I regard as the objective, more or less deliberate manifestations of my existence are merely the premises, within the limits of this existence, of an activity whose true extent is quite unknown to me." -André Breton

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Posted 10/22/03 - 07:25 AM:	#3
Cows are causing global warming by expelling methane gas.

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Posted 10/22/03 - 04:07 PM:	#4
True, but man and "nature" are philosophically different. Man came from nature, but man is also able to mold nature...So, if "nature" is molded, can it any longer be considered nature? Granted we believe things done by other animals are natural, only because other animals came from nature. But it's a perspective that humans see through, that what we have done is not natural, or something other than nature. If other animals could think, i would expect they would think the same thing about there "manipulations" True, but what cows have been doing, they have been doing since they evolved, what humans are doing has only come about in the last 200 years....

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Posted 10/22/03 - 08:49 PM:	#5
Man's acomplishments are as natural as bacteria mutating. All natural hdtv.

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Posted 10/23/03 - 01:36 PM:	#6
Are you sure about that? The fact that the things we do are not done out of purely instinct an genetics doesn't make you think different?

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Posted 10/23/03 - 03:29 PM:	#7
I think what we do with ideas is a natural, a behavioral instinct. Those idea’s that pop into our heads are just like nature, figuring out new concepts on the fly. For us or its own wants.

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Posted 10/23/03 - 03:37 PM:	#8
I don't think us "thinking different" is very signifigant. A dog thinks differently than a crustecean. Just because the dog is slightly more intelligent than a lobster doesn't put it on an entirely different level of being. We think we are enormously superior to anything else, but we don't really know that. Did you know that there is a larger difference of intelligence between an average human and Einstein than between an average human and a chimp?
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Posted 10/23/03 - 03:38 PM:	#9
So you think the way we poison the earth, and change the environment is natural?

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Posted 10/23/03 - 03:43 PM:	#10
Carlos? Was this directed towards me? You might want to re-examine my previous post it was. Because I said nothing of the sort Funny, I was under the impression that we couldn't judge the IQ of a chimp, I guess you know something that no one else does. I never said I thought we were enormously superior to anything else...

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