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Posted 07/29/08 - 09:41 AM: Subject: The world is thoroughly stagnant	#1
I believe that it must be cleansed in fire, only those that deserve it and have brought it about through their own doing can possibly survive. It wont be violent, there is no need for that, simply those that have lost life wil die out. What has the human race become? Look at yourselves! I speak not of the free-thinkers and those that appreciate the beauty of life, that would sooner run through the forests with no idea as to their destination than sit in office chairs. They are those that appreciate the beauty of nature, that revere it, that also love, that are sensual, appreciate aesthetics, think! Analyse! Declaim! Reconstruct! It would seem to me that we are in fact heading backwards as far as intellectual development is concerned. In the 19 and 20th centuries (and late 18), it was a golden age for thought, poetry, literature, etc., for celebration of life, for being human. What good does the government do you, feeding a false 'thing' to you, that they then collect back in exchange for something that was yours in the first place! All humans have a right to education that cannot be given a price. They deserve food, etc., etc. Work not for false rewards, do not worship at the shrine of affluence and artificiality (it is the most artificial thing imaginable), work for the good of humanity! Those that teach, teach for the love of imparting knowledge to those that will further it one day, those that grow food, pour your love into the fields and share it with the world, those that write, bring to the minds of all the beauty that you feel and see in your mind! Think for a moment!

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Posted 07/29/08 - 09:58 AM:	#2
I'm sorry, I must clarify. By golden age, I meant in Europe, and only until the very early 20th century. Great thinkers did however, of course, appear after that, but thr cobditions weren't ideal for them.

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Posted 07/29/08 - 11:05 AM:	#3
orao wrote: I believe that it must be cleansed in fire, only those that deserve it and have brought it about through their own doing can possibly survive. It wont be violent, there is no need for that, simply those that have lost life wil die out. What has the human race become? Look at yourselves! I speak not of the free-thinkers and those that appreciate the beauty of life, that would sooner run through the forests with no idea as to their destination than sit in office chairs. They are those that appreciate the beauty of nature, that revere it, that also love, that are sensual, appreciate aesthetics, think! Analyse! Declaim! Reconstruct! It would seem to me that we are in fact heading backwards as far as intellectual development is concerned. In the 19 and 20th centuries (and late 18), it was a golden age for thought, poetry, literature, etc., for celebration of life, for being human. What good does the government do you, feeding a false 'thing' to you, that they then collect back in exchange for something that was yours in the first place! All humans have a right to education that cannot be given a price. They deserve food, etc., etc. Work not for false rewards, do not worship at the shrine of affluence and artificiality (it is the most artificial thing imaginable), work for the good of humanity! Those that teach, teach for the love of imparting knowledge to those that will further it one day, those that grow food, pour your love into the fields and share it with the world, those that write, bring to the minds of all the beauty that you feel and see in your mind! Think for a moment! Quite right my friend!
That's what tyrants get! - John Wilkes Booth “This is an impressive crowd: the Have's and Have-more's. Some people call you the elites. I call you my base.” -Bush Something cannot come from nothing.

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Posted 07/29/08 - 11:16 AM:	#4
It only seems stagnant because you are bogged down with cliches like 'cleansed in fire' - very biblical! I would be running around in the woods right now if I had one of those nifty mobile phones with the internet. There are plenty of places with as near as damnit no government, Sudan, Zimbabwe, you know. I remember the good old days, the peasants knew their place, the slaves were kept in theirs, and servants were not so hard to get. Children were seen and not heard, and women didn't worry their pretty little heads about business and politics but concentrated on looking pretty. Ah, a goldern age indeed.
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Posted 07/29/08 - 07:47 PM:	#5
Certainly not. Did Virginia Woolf bother about those sorts of things? etc., etc. George Sand, etc. There were more and more women that saw the terrible wrong being done them. I can't give too many examples as I'm very tired now, but I meant golden age in that whilst there were established governments, they could not really intrude on universities, etc., etc; I think you know what I mean. Of course things were bad then, but so are they now. Things are never optimal. However then intellectuals, etc. were practically exempted from any laws, or they did not pay them any heed. Now, however, the governments pretend that you have some freedom or other, and hide their tyranny. They have not even the common decency to be openly tyrannical like some countries of the third world. I respect those governments for thier honesty.

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Posted 07/29/08 - 08:29 PM:	#6
Do you not think that the universities have always been rather close to the governments, particularly in who is allowed to go to them in relation to who is allowed to vote. The rich are always practically exempted from any laws, and the wise still pay little heed to governments. Open tyranny is not decent. I am no defender of modernity, but the idea of a golden age is much older than the nineteenth century, and it has always been a golden age of exploitation, from the glorious 'democratic' slave based economy of ancient Greece onwards. The good old days of the British Empire are no exception, should I mention the jolly Boer War when the British first invented the concentration camp? And we still don't 'have the decency' to be properly ashamed of our ruthless exploitation and despoilment of a third of the world, but claim that it was 'a burden' that we carried for 'their' benefit. I respect Mwagabe for his hatred of the British, who still continue to profit at his people's expense, but clearly the man is mad, and a menace.
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Posted 07/29/08 - 11:20 PM:	#7
I agree with your first paragraph, but saying that covert motives and a political facade are preferable to honesty is silly. You speak of Greek 'democracy', but it was considerably fairer than our 'democracy', even if only mean, citizens of Greece, free men, were allowed to vote, speak, share in ruling! At least they had a say! Here all over a certain age are allowed 'vote', but it is meaningless! This is no 'democracy'. The Greeks did many things wrongly, but so do we. Also, I speak not of the British army, politicians, fools. I speak of students, learned people, writers, etc., of that time. To bring into consideration various wars is also silly. Wars have always been fought by damned fools, and so they will be, until they are restrained. Yes, many hypocrites and bastards feel the way that you describe about Western escapades in the world, but they are the same who are lying and cheating the public, and are tyrants. I agree with you about Mugabe.

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Posted 07/30/08 - 12:55 AM:	#8
Wars have always been fought by damned fools, and so they will be, until they are restrained. Wars have existed long before humanity and will continue to exist long after. Even from the stage of going from ape to Homo sapiens there were countless wars between different strands of apes for domination before the victor and our ancestor, came into fruition. And the same concept exists for all other forms of wars that we humans have had. To say that war is foolish and fought by fools will be calling all of your ancestors fools, the reason why they died is foolish. Indeed foolishly you think you came on to this Earth for free when it is the truth that many of your predecessors fought to their death so that your kind didn't become obsolete aeons ago.

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Posted 07/30/08 - 06:04 AM:	#9
We have evolved past that. I was speaking only of (relatively) modern times. There is no longer a need of rwar. You are a fool.

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Posted 07/30/08 - 07:12 AM:	#10
thinkingnow wrote: Wars have existed long before humanity and will continue to exist long after. Even from the stage of going from ape to Homo sapiens there were countless wars between different strands of apes for domination before the victor and our ancestor, came into fruition. And the same concept exists for all other forms of wars that we humans have had. To say that war is foolish and fought by fools will be calling all of your ancestors fools, the reason why they died is foolish. Indeed foolishly you think you came on to this Earth for free when it is the truth that many of your predecessors fought to their death so that your kind didn't become obsolete aeons ago. This is plain flase. Ofcourse we can say 'man has fought man...' down the centuries, but this means little- was it a fight over a girl, over an apple? Look to the first world war, the second world war - these were largely faught by governments, not people; fought by undemocratic states.
That's what tyrants get! - John Wilkes Booth “This is an impressive crowd: the Have's and Have-more's. Some people call you the elites. I call you my base.” -Bush Something cannot come from nothing.

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