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"The woman question"
rustystan
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Posted 02/04/06 - 08:28 AM:
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"these are statistics that need to be gathered and then the appropriate action met. For example raping children under 6 the person ought to have their balls cut-off. Its simple. If you do it, this is what happens. Perhaps the laws are too liberal in Canada and this is why a third of people are under 6- however, i'll have to check that out for myself.

Likewise with Rape- i don't know if locking people away into crime education facilities is the right thing to do- perhaps physical punishment might be the key. Im not too sure- what do you think?"

Amen to that.

Some statistics are simply unacceptable. These are an example.

Looking at the figures I cannot help but think of the people around me and the very real possibility that this is an issue for some of them. That helps to put this into perspective.


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Posted 02/04/06 - 08:50 AM:
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Hey, one question. Could you actually cut a mans balls off? Or would you pay taxes to have a guy in a black hood do it. I think if you couldn't personally stomach doing it- that might be a good indication of your true feelings on the mater.

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Posted 02/04/06 - 12:22 PM:
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I couldnt cut a mans balls off...although the way of dealing with the problem that I am most in favor of is shooting the perpetrator in the head. That I could do without a doubt.

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Posted 02/04/06 - 12:47 PM:
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I have interacted with three child molesters that I know of. At the time I didn't know what they were. The second one was my best friend's father when I was 12. She used to have slumber parties and he would sit in his chair and watch us. It never occurred to me what he was about, but when she was older she told me about the years of abuse. They ran a babysitting service, and he ended up being sued for braking a child's arm. When I think of such people, it is like peering into a black hole. Unfathomably controlling, incomprehensibly small, destroying all light. If I reach out to destroy it, I fear becoming a part of the cruelty. I just wish they didn't exist in the first place.

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Posted 02/04/06 - 01:05 PM:
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Whoa horsies! Yes, rape is reprehensible. Who wants to live in a society that includes rape and incest? But who want's to live in a society that condones corpral punishment?

It should be noted that although the rape statistics are an extremely disturbing example of inequality in the treatment of women, this inequality isn't limited to sex crime. Wage inequality exists between the genders in the western world. I think it might be dangerous to focus on the small picture of sex crime and ignore the larger issue at hand. There is a subtle and insiduous attitude that women are not equal to men, and do not merit equal treatment.

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Posted 02/04/06 - 02:11 PM:
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Actually Reformed Nihilist, I find that often women are treated better then men. The criminal justice systems are lighter on them. Divorce courts are more giving to them. The work-place is more sensitve to them. The culture is more accommodating to them (opening doors, carrying bags, etc).

I know for one that I treat women better then men. I am nicer (or less mean cool ) to them. I'm more sensitive to their fragile feelings (I hate when they cry. sad ). I try to swear less and use less offensive language around them (except in situations where they like it nod ).

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Posted 02/04/06 - 02:22 PM:
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Yuck

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Posted 02/04/06 - 02:39 PM:
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Actually Reformed Nihilist, I find that often women are treated better then men. The criminal justice systems are lighter on them. Divorce courts are more giving to them. The work-place is more sensitve to them. The culture is more accommodating to them (opening doors, carrying bags, etc).

I know for one that I treat women better then men. I am nicer (or less mean cool ) to them. I'm more sensitive to their fragile feelings (I hate when they cry. sad ). I try to swear less and use less offensive language around them (except in situations where they like it nod ).

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Ok, I was suggesting looking at the big picture. I am sure that you feel this way, and have observed other men treat women this way. I didn't know of any studies on sentencing variations bteween men and women, but if there are inequalities then they should be fixed too. By assuming that women's feelings are 'more fragile' than men's, you are actually perpetuatiing a derogatory stereotype. Both men and women deserve equal courtesy and equal opportunity to display emotional toughness.

It astonishes me that people don't recognise a problem that can be clearly empirically demonstrated.


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Posted 02/04/06 - 09:03 PM:
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mike hemens: "I think that the original post contained resentment toward females. Please take that shit out of your heart if it's there. What do you want? Advice; If your a chump, your a chump -Don't try to be cool."

This is interesting. I'm assuming you're talking about me. I've also been told things of the extreme opposite. Would you be willing to paint a picture of this resentment? I'd be interested no matter how condascending, if at all. As for what I want, I think I'd get lost in epistemology while answering.

Petunia: I'd say it's also worth mentioning the statistics you provide are inaccurate. A great deal of women don't report their abusive situation. They likely take it to their grave. Some evidence of this would be how our statistics are today (based on more than just matters of opinion) compared to, say, the thirties. (Well, of course they barely had statistics). I know there's a cultural view that women are the "whiners" and men are the ones that keep it to themselves. But personal experience tells me that ultimately it's reverse. "I know I have problems. Please feel sorry for me and take me back."

"When I think of such people, it is like peering into a black hole. Unfathomably controlling, incomprehensibly small, destroying all light. If I reach out to destroy it, I fear becoming a part of the cruelty. I just wish they didn't exist in the first place."

Genuinely sorry that you had to peer down the rabbit hole. It's hard to climb out.

Reformed Nihilist: "I think it might be dangerous to focus on the small picture of sex crime and ignore the larger issue at hand."

I agree we need the big picture. But how small is the issue of sex crime?

Doitintheroad:"Perhaps the laws are too liberal in Canada and this is why a third of people are under 6- however, i'll have to check that out for myself."

Interestingly enough, it's those perhaps too liberal laws that allow vindictive people to commit crimes against brutes / sex offenders and not face too harsh punishment as well. Paradoxical, no? raised eyebrow

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I have come to decide on a single message to lean on rather than try to sift through piles of them. Like the advice I got, I'd like to just generally comply. But I know that women, like all humans, can be very confused. I've come to believe that my responsability is to come to a single point. A minimum of both emotion and analysis. A set of simple yet consistent actions.


Edited by Gaia_Guerrilla on 02/04/06 - 09:15 PM

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Posted 02/04/06 - 10:24 PM:
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The resentmant. O.K well you stated that this woman was preventing you from seeking knowledge and that she was stiffling progress(?) All this from one little quip she blurted out? I can't even take from what she said that she dosn't like you. If she does like you, you wouldn't notice cause you're busy playing 'captin save-a-hoe'- taking fukin feminest courses. I'm not buying it. P.S On the behalf of "as a male maybe I owe It to shut the hell..." don't say that on my account brother. You and me in a boat? Nuh, uhh!

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