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Posted 10/18/09 - 12:28 PM:
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The current health care market in the US operates generally like this:

Hospitals
The market is generally unregulated in the economic sense. Insurers and providers are free to compete on the open market. The markets are regional, or local, generally incompassing no more than a metropolitan area or a few rural counties.

Insurance companies negotiate prices with area providers. In markets where insurers have a lot of subscribers and thus market power, they are able to negotiate low prices for care. In markets where they have few subscribers they have little negotiating power and must accept whatever prices the provider gives them.

Strong providers who dominate area medical services negotiate nominal price discounts with dominant insurers and shift costs to others with less negotiating power. Weak providers are not in a good position to negotiate with insurers at all and must accept whatever prices insurers are offering to pay. But these days there are few small providers and few small insurers left in the markets Providers have consolidated and so have insurers. Last year Aetna dropped some 2million subscribers from its roles because they lived in areas where it could not negotiate reasonable prices with providers.

Market power rests with strong providers where insurers are weak and with strong insurers where providers are weak. But what happens where the provider is strong and so is the insurer? The provider invariably wins because denying service to the insurers subscribers causes the subscribers to flee and the subscribers blame the insurer. The insurers are put in a weak negotiating position.

The largest provider of health insurance in every market the US is Medicare and it does not negotiate. It sets the prices it pays providers. A few providers refuse to treat Medicare subscribers but most do and will shift costs to others where possible. There is also, in the US, a requirement that every hospital that receives federal money treat all emergency patients regardless of their ability to pay. Once again, some decline federal money and so can deny emergency treatment but most do not and shift costs.

Did you notice anything in all this? There is no incentive at all anywhere for providers to reduce costs. Except for Medicare, no insurer has any power at all to control the rising price of health care.

Drugs
In order to rein in the rising cost of drugs insurers instituted co-pays. Co-pays act as an incentive for subscribers to use less costly generic drugs instead of more expensive branded drugs. Savings on drug costs can be 10-100 times lower and it worked for a while. Insurers saved significant sums on drug costs. To combat this trend drug makers reformulated many drugs in very minor ways and inculcated them into the doctors offices with educational junkets and coupons. A generic drug that cost $100 a month and needed to be taken twice a day was reformulated so it only had to be taken once a day. It cost $650. To get around the $50 co-pay (the generic required no co-pay) the drug manufacturer provided doctors with coupons for the patient. So, for the convenience of a once a day pill it cost the insurer and extra $500 a month. This is for an acne medicine. A great many other medicines follow a similar path.

Doctors
Doctors are implicit in this. They claim that they provide service and cannot regard cost because that would compromise them in their Hippocratic oath to provide the best care possible. Really....if they cared about the health of their patients they would realize that piling on unnecessarily high costs for marginally beneficial drugs and procedures compromises the entire systems ability to provide care.

The public option
It should be obvious by now why the insurance industry is so afraid of having a public insurer in their market. They fear it will reduce their already weak negotiating position with providers and end up shifting even more costs to them.

So,
How can this be fixed?





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Posted 10/18/09 - 01:05 PM:
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The market is generally unregulated in the economic sense. Insurers and providers are free to compete on the open market.

Good post, but there is something contradictory about the above sentence. In the "economic sense" markets are regulated even without formal regulation through competition. One of the biggest problems with American health care is that they actually aren't free to compete on the open market (though you could argue that that's the way they like it). As you go on to say, the markets are fairly regional, and though there are quite a few insurance providers nation wide, locally there is usually only one or two. In other words, there is no competition. The point of the public option is to wake the currently stalled system out of its coma by reintroducing price competition. For too long American health insurers have been competing through advertisement and customer selection (ie. pre-existing condition rejections).

It sparked an economic "race to the bottom" where other insurers had to start doing the same thing to keep up, but collectively it was self defeating. Everybody is stuck in a muck, but its impossible for it to fix itself because for it to be effective, all the companies would have to change their business models at once with no one trying to free ride. In its essence the health care crisis in America is a prisoners dilemma. To solve it you need a binding authority to lift all the companies out of the muck at once. A single payer system is that authority.

The public option has its merits too. I think it could actually work, by forcing companies to compete on price. If it doesn't work because the companies are too bureaucratic to reform themselves quickly enough before tanking then hopefully it will beckon the acceptance of a single payer system.

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Posted 10/18/09 - 01:42 PM:
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How the current US health care system came about.

The current US health care mess has its beginnings in the depression of the 1930s. A hospital in Houston, seeking increased revenues due to a lack of paying customers due to the economic crises, offered to provide 21 days of care to a group of teachers in Houston for a subscription fee of $6 per year. This proved exceptionally successful since the teachers were generally healthy and had little need of health care so the fees easily covered what services the teacher group needed and provided the hospital with much needed revenue. Other hospitals took up the practice and the scheme spread rapidly and became Blue Cross. By 1940 it covered some 34% of working Americans. Costs were low, workers did not generally need a lot of health care.

In 1942 an IRS ruling declared that health benefits were not taxable. By 1952 this was explicitly written into the tax law by Congress.

During WW2 when wages were restricted unregulated health benefits were expanded to attract workers and this continued in the post war era until by 1956 some %78 of American workers and their families were covered by tax free employer provided health care insurance provided by a myriad of non-profit and for-profit insurance companies with Blue Cross and Blue Shield as the standard bearers of care.

Health care insurance was about insuring healthy people.

In the 1960s Medicare came about to provide medical services to the elderly and disabled and was followed by Medicaid to provide similar services for the poverty stricken and unemployed.

By 1980 the only people without health insurance were mostly small business employees whose employer did not provide insurance, less than 5% of the population.

During the 1980s and 90s big changes were wrought in the entire health care scheme in the US. The previously landscape of non-profit providers was replaced by large for-profit corporations holding conglomerations of for-profit hospitals that dominated many areas of the country. How did this happen? It was a sellout by non-profit Hospital's boards of directors, many of whom personally reaped large gains and revenue strapped municipalities and tax laws that allowed the for-profit corporation to gain enough from the accumulated tax breaks of the non-profits to basically acquire them at little to no tax cost to themselves. Insurance companies instituted HMO plans which further squeezed revenues.

By 2000 the landscape of US health care was substantially different from that of 1980. Giant for profit health care providers became dominant in many regions of the country and prices for health insurance began their rapid rise because insurers lost their ability to negotiate prices and control costs. There was no where for them to send their subscribers if negotiations failed so these provider groups ratcheted prices up. HMOs were dead.

But, there was a catch, they needed the volume that Medicare provided to pay for their expansion so they needed to treat the indigent also, no problem, shift the costs to the private insurers. They also needed to pay back the $Billions they borrowed to finance these expansions, buying many hospitals which needed huge repairs and had never made money before, no problem, shift the cost to the private insurers.

Some of these huge corporations like Humana have been having financial trouble recently but that is due to their huge debt load and the inability of the market to bear any more. Many insurers have left regions where Humana owns the market and left them with little ability to shift costs.

Can you see any way out of this?
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Posted 10/18/09 - 01:49 PM:
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Hamandcheese wrote:

Good post, but there is something contradictory about the above sentence. In the "economic sense" markets are regulated even without formal regulation through competition. One of the biggest problems with American health care is that they actually aren't free to compete on the open market (though you could argue that that's the way they like it). As you go on to say, the markets are fairly regional, and though there are quite a few insurance providers nation wide, locally there is usually only one or two. In other words, there is no competition. The point of the public option is to wake the currently stalled system out of its coma by reintroducing price competition. For too long American health insurers have been competing through advertisement and customer selection (ie. pre-existing condition rejections).

It sparked an economic "race to the bottom" where other insurers had to start doing the same thing to keep up, but collectively it was self defeating. Everybody is stuck in a muck, but its impossible for it to fix itself because for it to be effective, all the companies would have to change their business models at once with no one trying to free ride. In its essence the health care crisis in America is a prisoners dilemma. To solve it you need a binding authority to lift all the companies out of the muck at once. A single payer system is that authority.

The public option has its merits too. I think it could actually work, by forcing companies to compete on price. If it doesn't work because the companies are too bureaucratic to reform themselves quickly enough before tanking then hopefully it will beckon the acceptance of a single payer system.


I thought for a long time that it was the insurers who were the problem but more recently, after studying how the market actually operates, I find that it is the providers who are the reason why the system is out of control and that is because there is no way to put any controls on them in the current scheme and they are where to costs originate.

What is interesting in that in Maryland a state board sets prices paid to providers so cost shifting is basically prohibited by law and providers must operate within their means.

Maybe what we need is a combination of what Massachussetts and Maryland are doing. A universal requirement for insurance with an open insurance market and fixed pricing.

What we really should do is say OK, the US spent $XXXBillions on health care this year. That is all we are going to spend for the next 5 years, it is up to you in the industry to figure out who gets what. And oh yeah, you need to cover everyone. And we need your plan by Jan 1 or we will make one for you.


Edited by unrealist42 on 10/18/09 - 01:58 PM
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Posted 10/19/09 - 01:02 AM:
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People who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

History wrote:
The president sent a message to Congress asking for legislation establishing a national health insurance plan.

Two decades of debate ensue, with opponents warning of the dangers of "socialized medicine."

The president eventually had to back off from a plan for universal coverage.


The above quote was taken off a webpage called "Brief History of Medicare". Except I hid the name of that president. It was Harry S Truman and the year it started was 1945. Medicare was relatively successful providing care for the poor, elderly and incapacitated. Medicine wasn't socialized, medical companies didn't go out of business. The only difference is that now it is the far greater middle-class that needs protection. It isn't a conflict between hospitals and patients, it is mainly a conflict between those who get insurance through employment packages and everyone else. Most other developed nations already have universal healthcare and additional benefits.

I saw the subject of democracy mention the health care situation. If there were a national referendum it would win hands down. The majority of Americans are in favor of the resolution. Who are those who resist it defending, if not the citizens? They are defending businesses who have built their profitability on securing the necessity of paying high prices through group coverage. The only thing those private groups fear is to have fair competition. Without competition, they would actually have to provide valuable services and treat customers with respect.

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Posted 10/20/09 - 05:27 PM:
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There is a reason why most other nations have universal health care. After WW2 the US government sent a great deal of aid and technical assistance to the rest of the world, particularly to Japan and western Europe. Every county with the exception of the UK wrote new constitutions with help and guidance from technical experts provided by the US government. What the Truman administration could not accomplish at home it did accomplish abroad. Many of these constitutions guaranteed not only health care but also education, housing, welfare and equal rights for women.
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Posted 10/21/09 - 01:12 AM:
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unrealist42 wrote:

The public option
It should be obvious by now why the insurance industry is so afraid of having a public insurer in their market. They fear it will reduce their already weak negotiating position with providers and end up shifting even more costs to them.

So,
How can this be fixed?

By making the government stay out of public option. The Government is not going to promote competition but would open several problems for itself and for others if it's going to be an insurer, with subsidized premiums for the subscribers. It is the only entity that can tax people for this purpose, while at the same it has a dismal record of saving money and controlling wasteful spending. Just look at how much medicare and social welfare now cost, and how much reform they need.
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Posted 10/21/09 - 04:46 AM:
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unrealist42 wrote:
The current US health care mess has its beginnings in the depression of the 1930s. A hospital in Houston, seeking increased revenues due to a lack of paying customers due to the economic crises, offered to provide 21 days of care to a group of teachers in Houston for a subscription fee of $6 per year. This proved exceptionally successful since the teachers were generally healthy and had little need of health care so the fees easily covered what services the teacher group needed and provided the hospital with much needed revenue. Other hospitals took up the practice and the scheme spread rapidly and became Blue Cross. By 1940 it covered some 34% of working Americans. Costs were low, workers did not generally need a lot of health care.

In 1942 an IRS ruling declared that health benefits were not taxable. By 1952 this was explicitly written into the tax law by Congress.

During WW2 when wages were restricted unregulated health benefits were expanded to attract workers and this continued in the post war era until by 1956 some %78 of American workers and their families were covered by tax free employer provided health care insurance provided by a myriad of non-profit and for-profit insurance companies with Blue Cross and Blue Shield as the standard bearers of care.

Health care insurance was about insuring healthy people.

In the 1960s Medicare came about to provide medical services to the elderly and disabled and was followed by Medicaid to provide similar services for the poverty stricken and unemployed.

By 1980 the only people without health insurance were mostly small business employees whose employer did not provide insurance, less than 5% of the population.

During the 1980s and 90s big changes were wrought in the entire health care scheme in the US. The previously landscape of non-profit providers was replaced by large for-profit corporations holding conglomerations of for-profit hospitals that dominated many areas of the country. How did this happen? It was a sellout by non-profit Hospital's boards of directors, many of whom personally reaped large gains and revenue strapped municipalities and tax laws that allowed the for-profit corporation to gain enough from the accumulated tax breaks of the non-profits to basically acquire them at little to no tax cost to themselves. Insurance companies instituted HMO plans which further squeezed revenues.

By 2000 the landscape of US health care was substantially different from that of 1980. Giant for profit health care providers became dominant in many regions of the country and prices for health insurance began their rapid rise because insurers lost their ability to negotiate prices and control costs. There was no where for them to send their subscribers if negotiations failed so these provider groups ratcheted prices up. HMOs were dead.

But, there was a catch, they needed the volume that Medicare provided to pay for their expansion so they needed to treat the indigent also, no problem, shift the costs to the private insurers. They also needed to pay back the $Billions they borrowed to finance these expansions, buying many hospitals which needed huge repairs and had never made money before, no problem, shift the cost to the private insurers.

Some of these huge corporations like Humana have been having financial trouble recently but that is due to their huge debt load and the inability of the market to bear any more. Many insurers have left regions where Humana owns the market and left them with little ability to shift costs.


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There is a reason why most other nations have universal health care. After WW2 the US government sent a great deal of aid and technical assistance to the rest of the world, particularly to Japan and western Europe. Every county with the exception of the UK wrote new constitutions with help and guidance from technical experts provided by the US government. What the Truman administration could not accomplish at home it did accomplish abroad. Many of these constitutions guaranteed not only health care but also education, housing, welfare and equal rights for women.

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Posted 10/21/09 - 12:18 PM:
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By making the government stay out of public option. The Government is not going to promote competition but would open several problems for itself and for others if it's going to be an insurer, with subsidized premiums for the subscribers. It is the only entity that can tax people for this purpose, while at the same it has a dismal record of saving money and controlling wasteful spending. Just look at how much medicare and social welfare now cost, and how much reform they need.


The government pays over %40 of the money paid to health care providers now while providing care for the %50 of the population that is in most need of medical services, the elderly, the poor, the disabled.
This is less than %20 of overall health care dollars in the US. In other words the private sector pay for less than %60 of health care services wile receiving over %80 of the money. Overhead costs in the government sector are less than %5 compared to %8-20 for the private sector.

I do not believe that the US health care mess is possible to fix without an overwhelming government presence in the market, either by regulation or by entering the market itself, or both. It is the only thing that can possibly bring ever rising prices under control. Private insurers are the Achilles heel of health care. They simply do not have enough power in the market to control prices.

So, what is your proposal to bring health care prices under control before they bankrupt the nation which will happen within the next 15 years if nothing is done?
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Posted 10/21/09 - 01:02 PM:
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unrealist42 wrote:
There is a reason why most other nations have universal health care. After WW2 the US government sent a great deal of aid and technical assistance to the rest of the world, particularly to Japan and western Europe. Every county with the exception of the UK wrote new constitutions with help and guidance from technical experts provided by the US government. What the Truman administration could not accomplish at home it did accomplish abroad. Many of these constitutions guaranteed not only health care but also education, housing, welfare and equal rights for women.


Just a little precision here. Social security policies in Western Europe were not inspired in the least by Truman or his technical experts (whose influence on the writing of the french constitution I seriously doubt anyway).
Anyway, Germany and France already had extended coverage in terms of social security, before WW2, and it is pretty well-accepted that the first serious social security laws are due to Bismarck in Germany.
Even in US, the need for social security was already felt and advocated by many, long before Truman, one can think of Th. Roosevelt for instance.
It is more likely to say that Truman and his teams of experts saw first-hand the benefits that these welfare policies provided for the general population, and were inspired to implement it elsewhere, which they did in Japan and failed to do in USA.

As for the general discussion, I already wrote extensively about it, and have nothing more to add, except all my encouragements to what Obama is trying to do.

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