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unrealist42
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Posted 10/24/09 - 02:37 PM:	#21
My next door neighbor is an architect. He is currently involved on overseeing a $500Million expansion at a major hospital. Other hospitals in the same city are also embarked on major expansions to the tune of over $3Billion in the next 5 years. There is no shortage of hospital beds or lack of services or technologically advanced equipment in the area, in fact the equipment like MRI and Cat Scan, Pet Scan machines etc are already grossly underutilized. The population is not growing. Guess who is paying for all this?

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Posted 10/24/09 - 02:41 PM:	#22
wuliheron wrote: There is no reason to provide such evidence since it is not central to my argument. What is are the facts that healthcare providers are gouging the public and making record profits. These fly in the face of your argument that healthcare costs are merely the result of a system that does not encourage efficiency. I merely contested one of your assertion, if you are unable either to defend it or to concede the fact that this assertion was erroneous, fine, but the fact that it is not central to your argument begs the question of why you made it if it was useless, in the first place. And for your information I never made the ridiculous argument that "healthcare costs are merely the result of a system that does not encourage efficiency". My only point was to say that the highest healthcare quality is not necessarily to be found in US, but that this quality is equivalent in many countries all over the world, and has no direct relation with the type of healthcare system. Now you'll excuse me, but I find your conversation pretty boring. So long.
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1 of 1 people found this post helpful Posted 10/24/09 - 04:42 PM:	#23
enkidu wrote: I merely contested one of your assertion, if you are unable either to defend it or to concede the fact that this assertion was erroneous, fine, but the fact that it is not central to your argument begs the question of why you made it if it was useless, in the first place. And for your information I never made the ridiculous argument that "healthcare costs are merely the result of a system that does not encourage efficiency". My only point was to say that the highest healthcare quality is not necessarily to be found in US, but that this quality is equivalent in many countries all over the world, and has no direct relation with the type of healthcare system. Now you'll excuse me, but I find your conversation pretty boring. So long. I am not incapable of defending my assertions, I am unwilling to do so because such is a distraction from the issue at hand. Just as the issue of whether or not doctors are moral is a moot point and a distraction from the issue on the table. If healthcare providers are allowed to gouge customers, encourage a two teir system, buy congress, and otherwise do whatever they want in their search for profit then the issue of whether or not the system is designed to encourage efficiency is also a moot point. If they become more efficient they will simply add the savings to their profit margin. And last-but-not-least, I find your claim of boredom to be about as cogent as the rest of your posts.

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Posted 11/05/09 - 04:59 PM:	#24
Guys I just got a fact for you. In the United States there are over 1,700 companies... pick one. Second, less than 5% in the United States are without health-care, and about 2% are illegals, 2.5% are college students... basically people who don't need it or are between jobs, and .5% cannot afford it legitimately. Remember... there are 50% minus one republican senators, who all vow not to vote for it, than about 30% blue-dog democrats who won't touch it either. 17% of Americans want health-care. The debate sounds like it's closing down, so for those who are worried, stop, and those who are cheering, save it.
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Posted 11/05/09 - 10:46 PM:	#25
Next you'll be telling us the whole healthcare crisis is merely a communist conspiracy. Estimates are that somewhere between 20-27% of americans were uninsured last year and the number will grow by another 7 million in the next year because of the economy. http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml You can cheer all you want, but your argument sounds about as inhuman as Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal". He wrote an editorial to the newspaper about how to deal with the "Irish" problem. The problem was the potato famine. His sarcastic proposal was that it was every patriotic Englishman's duty to eat Irish babies. For his efforts he received thousands of letters from people asking where they could buy their Irish babies and find recipies.

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