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IdoTsuk
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Posted 01/25/07 - 09:19 PM: Subject: The meaning of Time	#1
I'm 15 and I've only been living in the united states for a year now, so I'm sorry for any grammar mistakes. This is my opinion, you may reply with yours. This theory combines 2 theories of mine- 1. Everything that happens in the universe is already bound to happen. Every decision you make or every movements is triggered by something else, which is triggered by something else and there's no way to change that other than introducing another variable from another time. Of course, this wouldn't change anything either because this was bound to happen as well! So for every point in time there's a certain absolute condition at which the universe is. 2. There are three dimensions known to us, which when graphed, are X, Y and Z. I would like to introduce another dimension - T (Time). Imagine this, there's a line, we'll call it T, which represents time in the universe. For every point in this line, like I said before, there's a state for the universe to be in. The point on this line, for some reason, just keeps moving, triggering movements in the universe. To sum up, I think that time doesn't really exist. It's just us moving through time.

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Posted 01/26/07 - 01:06 AM:	#2
IdoTsuk wrote: To sum up, I think that time doesn't really exist. It's just us moving through time. That appears to make no sense.
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1 of 1 people found this post helpful Posted 01/26/07 - 03:53 AM:	#3
IdoTsuk wrote: I'm 15 and I've only been living in the united states for a year now, so I'm sorry for any grammar mistakes. This is my opinion, you may reply with yours. This theory combines 2 theories of mine- 1. Everything that happens in the universe is already bound to happen. Every decision you make or every movements is triggered by something else, which is triggered by something else and there's no way to change that other than introducing another variable from another time. Of course, this wouldn't change anything either because this was bound to happen as well! So for every point in time there's a certain absolute condition at which the universe is. 2. There are three dimensions known to us, which when graphed, are X, Y and Z. I would like to introduce another dimension - T (Time). Imagine this, there's a line, we'll call it T, which represents time in the universe. For every point in this line, like I said before, there's a state for the universe to be in. The point on this line, for some reason, just keeps moving, triggering movements in the universe. To sum up, I think that time doesn't really exist. It's just us moving through time. The first part of the theory is causal determinism. If A causes B and A happens, then B must happen. Everything that happens has a cause. So everything that happens must happen. For any given state of the universe at a particular time there is one and only one new state that it can enter at the next moment. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/determinism-causal/ There are objections to causal determinism. First, caused events might not be necessitated events. That means: A can cause B and A can happen, but B need not happen. Eating lots of fried food causes indigestion but you can eat lots of fried food and not get indigestion. Second, it might be false that everything has a cause. For example, I might write the word 'zebra' in this post. But nothing caused me to do it: I just did it. Thirdly, if every event has a cause, and causes always happen before their effects, then there can be no such thing as the first event in the universe. So the past is infinite. But the past isn't infinite because as far as we know the universe had a beginning. I think the second part is a way of picturing the first part. If I were you I'd concentrate on the first part to begin with. Have a look at the link. By the way, as you are 15 yrs old and English is a recently acquired other language, you certainly deserve to be congratulated for that post!

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Posted 01/26/07 - 09:12 AM:	#4
Grammar and spelling are unimportant in the United States, so you need not worry there. If you are only 15 you will soon be ranked as a genius at your local school!

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Posted 01/26/07 - 09:54 AM:	#5
Yahadreas wrote: That appears to make no sense. What i'm saying is that T is just another variable that triggers X, Y and Z. If you don't believe in predestination this would mean nothing to you. Cuthbert wrote: There are objections to causal determinism. First, caused events might not be necessitated events. That means: A can cause B and A can happen, but B need not happen. Eating lots of fried food causes indigestion but you can eat lots of fried food and not get indigestion. Second, it might be false that everything has a cause. For example, I might write the word 'zebra' in this post. But nothing caused me to do it: I just did it. Thirdly, if every event has a cause, and causes always happen before their effects, then there can be no such thing as the first event in the universe. So the past is infinite. But the past isn't infinite because as far as we know the universe had a beginning. By the way, as you are 15 yrs old and English is a recently acquired other language, you certainly deserve to be congratulated for that post! Thanks, First, I don't really understand to what "beginning" you are referring. There was no beginning of time, just beginning of space. Do you think that time just started moving? Second, for your example of the word 'zebra' there was probably a reason. You chose zebra out of any other word. Do you think that without ever seeing a zebra you would choose this word? It might subconciously have a meaning to you. Maybe you saw a zebra today, or read the word somewhere, or just with the current combination of knowledge and experience combined with chemicals in your brain, zebra is the most random word you could, in the same exact moment, think about. Also, this thought was triggered by reading my post. 200 bytes, or 1600 little dots on a hard disk somewhere in the world triggered a whole new line of thoughts which might influence your future. You didn't think about it randomly. Saying something is random is like saying the universe has made a mistake. There's never guessing in the known laws of physics, is there? It's like saying 1+1 will equal 3 eventually. Or 2.000000000000000000000000001. No, that's impossible.

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Posted 01/26/07 - 11:17 AM: Subject: hmm	#6
I've also often wondered about time. What IS time? I've found this view expressed here quite appealing; http://forums.hypography.com/physi...time-explained-v2-1-a.html Well worth the read. But I've to say, I'm not a physicist, so I'm not sure if it's in coherence with the latest theories.. Anyways.. A good perspective never hurt anyone? x)

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Posted 01/27/07 - 06:08 AM: Subject: Time	#7
I suggest you read Einstein's view on time. Well let's clean the floor a little bit first. If you anybody has the picture of time as it was given to us in the class room when we were 5. I am sorry to break your childish dreams and tell you that "that" time was created by the human kind to help the world and make it easier for us not only to place historic points but also to make mathematic decision regarding physical phenomena or in it's simplest form to help people move their business have a refer point and so on and so forth. Human Time is important and I believe without it you wouldn't have the life yo have now. So anyways. TIME. There is no such a thing as time I personally beleive. Universe flows in one line without a proven theory of a starting point and without a proven theory of an ending point.

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Posted 01/28/07 - 05:12 PM:	#8
Time must exist. As long as there are reference points, such as the sun/stars/sky, one can tell this thing we call "time" has occurred. Time is good, but it could have great effects if overvalued. I once read a short story on a futuristic society which was heavily based on time. If I can think of the title, I will edit this post.
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Posted 01/31/07 - 09:37 AM:	#9
Petrochik wrote: I suggest you read Einstein's view on time. Well let's clean the floor a little bit first. If you anybody has the picture of time as it was given to us in the class room when we were 5. I am sorry to break your childish dreams and tell you that "that" time was created by the human kind to help the world and make it easier for us not only to place historic points but also to make mathematic decision regarding physical phenomena or in it's simplest form to help people move their business have a refer point and so on and so forth. Human Time is important and I believe without it you wouldn't have the life yo have now. So anyways. TIME. There is no such a thing as time I personally beleive. Universe flows in one line without a proven theory of a starting point and without a proven theory of an ending point. exactly what I think.

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Posted 01/31/07 - 09:53 AM:	#10
Petrochik wrote: There is no such a thing as time I personally beleive. Universe flows in one line without a proven theory of a starting point and without a proven theory of an ending point. Obviously enough, time knows how rude it is to point, so it prefers to pass, quietly.

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