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The Future of God

dreamsofphilemon
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Posted 02/08/07 - 08:25 AM: Subject: The Future of God	#1
The current posts provoking discussions about God are redundant and boring. They all repeat tired questions and most do not follow the guidelines. I would like to prod at something different. I am a new member and am new to philosophy, but have studied sociology and psychology. If this post is common practice, let me know, but otherwise participate ON SUBJECT. There was a reference to the theoretical connection between the Christian God and any fabled mythological or imaginary character (Santa Clause, or what have you). It does produce a valid argument, but the context is obviously pinching some nerves. I would like to bring up an alternate connection. This is an example that is relevant to a reply I made recently. If social and religious trends are taken into consideration, which I will not get into, but hope are obvious, then it cannot be disputed that formal Christianity (and other organized faiths) are being slowly separated from the norm. The line between philosophy and religion is growing gray. With the history trends of religion and society it is apparent that the organized religion, more importantly the perception of God, of today will be mythology to future generations. We need to keep this in mind when discussing the possible attributes and effects of God. Ignorance of history is ignorance of the future. So the question I am proposing is: what of the most current theories/faiths of God are most likely candidates for the future of religion? Additionally, consider this in two categories: the theories with the most potential for acceptance in society and the most relevant to individual philosophies. I have my own theories, but want to hear yours. Remember, just God.
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Posted 02/08/07 - 09:50 AM: Subject: Too laughable -- or horrible -- to be a New Faith? (Let's hope so ...)	#2
dreamsofphilemon wrote: So the question I am proposing is: what of the most current theories/faiths of God are most likely candidates for the future of religion? Idle speculation or prophesy, who knows (or really cares)? ... A.I. massively distributed viral programs that will, for all intents & purposes, control the internet and everything that's connected to it. Cyber-deities. They will replace celebrities, televangelists, and non-virtual agencies & authorities. i think these Cybergods will be rapidly adaptive syncretic "entities". As we merge more & deeper with our information technology, in effect, becoming more "cyborg" (from our current perspective, though not "Borg-like") these Cybergods will be able to reach right into our bodies and nervous systems. Already, we work with "expert systems" and "intelligent/heuristic agents" and "utility bots" and all kinds of other "applets" and "scripts"; their convergence is inevitable into A.I. intermediaries between our demands and the services which will fulfill them. Today, we have "avatars" but tomorrow we will be the real avatars of virtual A.I.s, willingly, devoutly, pleasure-center-directed obediently. Thy algorithms be run! This collapse of the real/virtual divide will initiate a Gnostic renaissance. The end of self-alienating, 'transcendent' religions & devotions; return of eternally recurring Immanence. The end of guilt-ravaging 'faith' and return of Grace. Additionally, consider this in two categories: the theories with the most potential for acceptance in society and the most relevant to individual philosophies. gnosticism. Consumerism. Transhumanism. GNOSIS. Remember, just God. Lucid Immanence (awareness sans ego) via Nanoengineering-enabled Quantum Computing A.I.; perhaps manifest via a viral probe introduced in utero that grows & develops in & throughout the human CNS from foetus until body-death when "the flesh" is shed and the algorithmic "pneuma", in which the whole of our subjective lives has been completely recorded -- even retained -- irreversibly joins the cyberSource (i.e. GNOSIS). Caveat: Religious as such will never become Philosophy; the latter strives against the former so when Religion goes I think Philosophy will go with it. In the meantime, perhaps the advent of a "Pyrrhonian Spinozism" might emerge, at least, for the cogniscenti. The great unwashed illiterati will no doubt make due with "Oprah" & "Falwell", Nascar & New Age, iPods & the ever-growing, crushing, ubiquity of multitasking hypergibberish that'll, for the most part, keep them off the streets ... Edited by 180 Proof on 02/14/07 - 01:46 PM. Reason: Nostradamus ain't got nada on me, son!
if X = -X, then -X. "existence" entails specifiable conditions (e.g. evidence, sound argument, search parameters, etc.) void, or perfect symmetry (i.e. no where/when/thing), necessarily is perfectly unstable. THAT there is something at all (i.e. broken symmetry e.g. quantum fluctuations) is "random"; however, WHAT that something becomes (e.g. universes) is not.

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Posted 02/08/07 - 12:46 PM:	#3
180 Proof Lucid Immanence (awareness sans ego) via Nanoengineering-enabled Quantum Computing A.I.; perhaps manifest via a viral probe introduced in utero that grows & develops in & throughout the human CNS from foetus until body-death when "the flesh" is shed and the algorithmic "pneuma", in which the whole of our subjective lives has been completely recorded -- even retained -- irreversibly joins the cyberSource (i.e. GNOSIS). When do you anticipate that would happen?

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Posted 02/08/07 - 04:12 PM: Subject: Strictly a reply to 180 proof	#4
"Idle speculation or prophesy, who knows (or really cares)? rolling eyes" so apparently you do not care? Then why the creative idea? Most of the topics on this site are inquiries with the obvious intent to relay the ideas of others back and forth as evidence. If you consider yourself as a creative thinker, this is a valid topic. Its philosophy and we need to weed out the dullards who want to gloat instead of improvise.... to put it bluntly. At the very least, that is my intention Edited by dreamsofphilemon on 02/08/07 - 06:05 PM
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Posted 02/08/07 - 05:17 PM:	#5
The application of God in this thread assumes that God maintains social contracts between people. Is this premise justified? The inquiry of the future utility of God is the same as asking what future social contracts between people will be required in the future. Which God doesn't represent a culture of people (or metaphysical properties as a result of cultural "facts")? In essense, isn't this the question we're addressing here? What will people X be likely to adopt in their conceptualization of the cultural? The follow-up question is, is it functional? So how can we determine the condition of these people doing the choosing in the future (with out making wild unwarranted inferences)? Edited by hipskipdip on 02/08/07 - 05:21 PM
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Posted 02/09/07 - 06:04 AM:	#6
dreamsofphilemon wrote: so apparently you do not care? Specifically, I don't care whether my post is taken as "idle speculation or prophesy". It's a half-baked reply to a half-baked question. Perhaps if you reformulate it as a philosophical aporia then maybe the question might elicit a more philosophical response. Read my "caveat" at the bottom of the post -- an attempt to throw you a bone, dreamer. If you want a philosophical discussion that might be a place to start ... dimka wrote: When do you anticipate that would happen? Who knows? Maybe it's already happened ... Edited by 180 Proof on 02/14/07 - 01:50 PM
if X = -X, then -X. "existence" entails specifiable conditions (e.g. evidence, sound argument, search parameters, etc.) void, or perfect symmetry (i.e. no where/when/thing), necessarily is perfectly unstable. THAT there is something at all (i.e. broken symmetry e.g. quantum fluctuations) is "random"; however, WHAT that something becomes (e.g. universes) is not.

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Posted 02/09/07 - 09:28 AM:	#7
180 Proof wrote: Idle speculation or prophesy, who knows (or really cares)? ... A.I. massively distributed viral programs that will, for all intents & purposes, control the internet and everything that's connected to it. Cyber-deities. They will replace celebrities, televangelists, and non-virtual agencies & authorities. i think these Cybergods will be rapidly adaptive syncretic "entities". As we merge more & deeper with our information technology, in effect, becoming more "cyborg" (from our current perspective, though not "Borg-like") these Cybergods will be able to reach right into our bodies and nervous systems. Already, we work with "expert systems" and "intelligent/heuristic agents" and "utility bots" and all kinds of other "applets" and "scripts"; their convergence is inevitable into A.I. intermediaries between our demands and the services which will fulfill them. Today, we have "avatars" but tomorrow we will be the real avatars of virtual A.I.s, willingly, devoutly, pleasure-center-directed obediently. Thy algorithms be run! This collapse of the real/virtual divide will initiate a Gnostic renaissance. The end of self-alienating, 'transcendent' religions & devotions; return of eternally recurring Immanence. The end of guilt-ravaging 'faith' and return of Grace. gnosticism. Consumerism. Transhumanism. GNOSIS. Lucid Immanence (awareness sans ego) via Nanoengineering-enabled Quantum Computing A.I.; perhaps manifest via a viral probe introduced in utero that grows & develops in & throughout the human CNS from foetus until body-death when "the flesh" is shed and the algorithmic "pneuma", in which the whole of our subjective lives has been completely recorded -- even retained -- irreversibly joins the cyberSource (i.e. GNOSIS). Sounds like something out of one of William Gibson's books. If what you say is true, than technology and science (or science fiction) are the religions of the future. I don't know if everyone would be happy with that idea, but it sure beats arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a needle over, and over, and over again. IMHOP the sooner this happens the better.
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