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Posted 01/03/09 - 09:48 AM: Subject: The Biosphere of Crystal-Language	#1
A crystal grows along the lattices lines, rotating on a nucleaic axis. As the axis rotates, polygonal symmetries are formed, through neucleation (a thermodynamic process). "Ice is the medium most alien to organic life, a considerable accumulation of it completely disrupts the normal course of processes in the biosphere." - P.A. Shumki, Principles of Structural Glaciology In this sense, a crystal is like language. The crystal might be said to be the language of the biosphere. It's a thermodynamic process, called nucleation where an ice crystal either grows or melts. This is from the sun. The sun is the mono-mythical determinant of the fate of the crystal. Likewise, God(s) (like the Freudian Triad, or mythical figures) are the determinants of the fates of language. Language, as with crystals, are a rule-bound expansion or retraction. Crystals are an expression of "... the normal course of processes in the biosphere." Or, they adhere to the shifts of one God (the Sun) in geological time. The development of language adheres to many gods across many platforms, influences, revisions, interpretations etc. With the Scientific revolution, our language is becoming revised or "rotated" in a rapid manner. Take this etymology as an example, not a line of reasoning: Mirrorc.1225, from O.Fr. mireor "a reflecting glass," earlier miradoir (11c.), from mirer "look at," from V.L. mirare, from L. mirari* "to wonder at, admire". The latin "root" "contains" a psychological meaning. It is the from the Latin Gods, or the "roman" gods. The Cultus deorum romanum, or "the cult of the Roman Gods": "The indigetes were the original gods of the Roman state [...] and their names and nature are indicated by the titles of the earliest priests and by the fixed festivals of the calendar; 30 such gods were honored with special festivals. The novensides were later divinities whose cults were introduced to the city in the historical period, usually at a known date and in response to a specific crisis or felt need. Early Roman divinities included, in addition to the di indigetes, a host of so-called specialist gods whose names were invoked in the carrying out of various activities, such as harvesting. Fragments of old ritual accompanying such acts as plowing or sowing reveal that at every stage of the operation a separate deity was invoked, the name of each deity being regularly derived from the verb for the operation. Such divinities may be grouped under the general term of attendant, or auxiliary, gods, who were invoked along with the greater deities." - Wikipedia The latin Gods were revised from older geographical myth-making. At every stage of agriculture, a different Deity was invoked. The psyche was devoted to accounting for several aspects of agriculture. The explanations of the agricultural aspects were attributed to Gods. This, in many ways, is very similar to the way our science "rules" language functions. Science (meaning ammendment-rationality) is now our "God", only this is no God at all. It is revisable to a potentially infinite "end". The axis of the Crystal-language is rotating at an ever more rapid pace. It is expanding along lattice lines from the evolution of God into Science. The language-Crystal is enormous. So many "gods", so many terms. In a destitute time, what becomes of language? The nuclei of such a system are at innumerably different locations on the lattice of language-history. Our myths are many, and they change rapidly. If language were indeed a crystal, the entropy is increasingly causing the crystal to be more complex. Language is now more complex, where the literal meaning of words has lost its heat. So mirror no longer means "to simply admire", it means "reflective glass" (see quantum mechanics, atomic physics, relativity, aesthetics, optics, etc.) What do you think about this? Edited by CypressMoon on 01/03/09 - 10:01 AM
"IN THE spring, Tipasa is inhabited by gods and the gods speak in the sun and the scent of absinthe leaves, in the silver armor of the sea, in the raw blue sky, the flowercovered ruins, and the great bubbles of light among the heaps of stone." - Albert Camus, Lyrical and Critical Essays A good determinant of success is when people start buying your shit.

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Posted 01/03/09 - 02:00 PM:	#2
"IN THE spring, Tipasa is inhabited by gods and the gods speak in the sun and the scent of absinthe leaves, in the silver armor of the sea, in the raw blue sky, the flowercovered ruins, and the great bubbles of light among the heaps of stone. At certain hours of the day the countryside is black with sunlight. The eyes try in vain to perceive anything but drops of light and colors trembling on the lashes. The thick scent of aromatic plants tears at the throat and suffocates in the vast heat. Far away, I can just make out the black bulk of the Chenoua, rooted in the hills around the village, moving with a slow and heavy rhythm until finally it crouches in the sea." - Albert Camus, Lyrical and Critical Essays "... the Gods speak in the sun and the scent of the absinthe leaves..." The Gods are speaking to camus, but it's not in a logically distinguishible category. It is through experience - through his beetle. It is something magical - inexplicable, yet it is described. What is being described is not attributive of semantic agreement of articles of speach. This excerpt is not something we can logically sift through. Camus' experience is not interpretive, or interpreted, but aesthetically percieved. Aesthetics are at work here, as in a painting, and not interpretation. One gets a sense - a felling of Camus' experience. A qualia to qualia relationship - or an aesthetic relationship. The whole is percieved instead of its parts being interpreted. The magic of the Gods are experienced. Fauve art They were called the fauves, French for "wild beasts", a term used to indicate their apparent lack of discipline. Taken in pieces, thier could be rules found within the color scheme - its "aesthetics", but in doing so, one would lose sight of it. The aesthetics are the incomprehensive experience of relationships between the colors and symbols - their seized interaction - not the analytical mind creating rules for the colors (a scheme). Experience, even though not conveyed in conventional language games, is a strictly aesthetic experience - a sensation, or qualia. Inexplicable, yet there. The "gods" of the ammendment-rationality are experience, and experienced. Aesthetics can be miscategorized as rule-bounded painted matter, but it is more appropriate to keep quiet and experience and convey experience like "wild beasts."
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Posted 01/03/09 - 02:46 PM:	#3
CypressMoon wrote: What do you think about this? I think a lot of things about this. But no beams from my mind matter so much as the trails left by the mysterious particles that burst from the collisions in the metaphorical/metaphysical cloud chamber that is, apparently, yours. What would you have language do? Would you prefer to live poetically, everything having and being a proper name including ideas now contained in verbs, and all passion? Is your question whither language? I learned from a magician that the art of the magician lies in stepping aside, even while in plain sight and never leaving it, into a hidden dimension where he is invisible, yet from which vantage point he can both observe and control. At the right moment he reappears and the magic is made manifest! More prosaically this magician's art is called misdirection, but I feel the term renders little justice to the phenomenon. But even as ordinary everyday space contains unseen spaces and dimensions into which the skilled can step, so language is enfolded with and saturated by meanings and significances that it is the poet's art to understand and use. You seem to be keenly aware of this, to feel it. Thus I suspect you of being a magician poet. Probably a poetess, because imho in these matters gender matters. But you're not performing. If I understand you, you seem to wish language turned inside out so that its mysteries and magical properties and all its stored histories would glimmer all around us, like myriad radiances, as if there had been a time when people lived in a world filled with the light of truth. I don't think they ever did, nor do I think it just happens; I think you have to do it yourself. And I think it happens when a man or woman ceases to deal just in meanings and starts to speak in terms of truth and the true, at least as much as possible, and until and unless her neighbors prevent her. It comes with age; sometimes it's called wisdom. Just how it works I haven't figured out; but I do not think that science is the problem; rather that science is just the obstacle of the moment and that there have always been obstacles.

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Posted 01/03/09 - 03:00 PM:	#4
timw wrote: If I understand you You don't. timw wrote: I don't think they ever did, nor do I think it just happens; I think you have to do it yourself. And I think it happens when a man or woman ceases to deal just in meanings and starts to speak in terms of truth and the true, at least as much as possible, and until and unless her neighbors prevent her. It comes with age; sometimes it's called wisdom. Just how it works I haven't figured out; but I do not think that science is the problem; rather that science is just the obstacle of the moment and that there have always been obstacles. I'm not really proposing a problem (intentionally, at least). Science is just alot more "Gods", insofar as they are invoked upon every type in a logical relation. The only difference is that these innumerable "Gods" are open for revision - what I mean, when I say, "ammendment-rationality". Language has been detailed to encompass a wider range of concepts. All I'm saying is that these words are derived from mono-myth making to poly-myth making - scientific descriptions, that is.
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Posted 01/03/09 - 03:12 PM:	#5
Although appalled, I will applaud. You may be pointing to something important, but I still can't quite see it. If I pull on my analytic boots, I could kick the the prose apart. But that doesn't seem appropriate.
Davidson: We make maximum sense of the words and thoughts of others when we interpret in a way that optimizes agreement. Russel Morris: There's a meaning there, but the meaning there doesn't really mean a thing... Ned: Such is life

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Posted 01/03/09 - 03:44 PM:	#6
timw wrote: What would you have language do? Robert Smithson, Mirror Displacement I would have language mirror displacements, so as to place things in the experiencing mind. Edited by CypressMoon on 01/03/09 - 03:53 PM
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Posted 01/03/09 - 04:18 PM:	#7
Banno wrote: You may be pointing to something important, but I still can't quite see it. If I pull on my analytic boots, I could kick the the prose apart. But that doesn't seem appropriate. You can't see it because I'm pointing to it. I need to stop pointing at something no one can see. Pointing at the inexplicable makes no sense. Language has to do something other than survey landscapes. We need to mirror the landscape, so experience is experienced and not surveyed. "Here is a reinforcement and prolongation of spirals that reverberates up and down space and time. So it is that one ceases to consider art as an "object". The fluctiuationg resonances [of the spiral] reject "objective criticism", because that would stifle the generative power of both visual and auditory scale. Not to say that one resorts to "subjective concepts", but rather that one apprehends what is around one's eyes and ears, no matter how unstable or fugitive. One siezes the spiral, and the spiral becomes a seizure... The "curved" reality of sense perception operates in and out of the "straight" abstractions of the mind... in the spiral jetty the surd takes over and leads one into a world that cannot be expressed by number or rationality. Ambiguities are admitted rather than rejected, contradictions are increased rather than decreased--the alogos undermines the logos." - Robert Smithson, "The Spiral Jetty"
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Posted 01/03/09 - 04:41 PM:	#8
CypressMoon wrote: Pointing at the inexplicable makes no sense. Why? What else could one do with it?
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Posted 01/03/09 - 04:49 PM:	#9
Banno wrote: Why? What else could one do with it? I'm using language, rule-bounded descriptions, to point at the surd - the non-rule bounded. Why is qualia impossible to logically piece together?
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Posted 01/03/09 - 05:20 PM:	#10
timw wrote: you seem to wish language turned inside out so that its mysteries and magical properties and all its stored histories would glimmer all around us, like myriad radiances, as if there had been a time when people lived in a world filled with the light of truth. How do you account for the origin and development of language? This must be at least the third time I've asked this to the analytically faith-based crowd here at PF, and no one has even confronted the question.
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