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Abiathar
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Posted 04/26/08 - 08:21 PM:
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All thought is derived from words, of course, so let us ask a question... who's words do you follow? Let us divide it into groups so, atleast, we know where we all stand, or atleast I get some idea of the thought processes of those on the fourms.

Thales, Anaximander, Anaximenes, Heraclitus, Parmenides, Democritus, Lucretius, Socrates, Plato & Epicurus... Greeks.

Yatha Bhutam, Siddhartha Gautama... Buddhist.

Rig Veda, Kabir, Radhakrishnan, Sudhakar, Fritjof Capra... Hindu

Lao Tzu ... the only Taoist I can think of.

Confucius... Orient.

Let us provide say one example of each group, for a basic concept:

Greeks: See my Signature.

Buddism: The Four Noble Truths:
Dukkha: Suffering is everywhere
Samudaya: There is a cause of suffering, which is attachment or misplaced desire (tanha) rooted in ignorance.
Nirodha: There is an end of suffering, which is Nirvana (the possibility of liberation exists for everyone).
Maggo: There is a path that leads out of suffering, known as the Noble Eightfold Path (right view, right thought, right speech, right conduct, right vocation, right effort, right attention and right concentration).

Hindu: Though One, Brahman is the cause of the many.
Brahman is the unborn (aja) in whom all existing things abide. The One manifests as the many, the formless putting on forms. ~Rig Veda

Taoist: "There is a thing, formless yet complete. Before heaven and earth it existed. Without sound, without substance, it stands alone and unchanging. It is all-pervading and unfailing. We do not know its name, but we call it Tao. .. Being one with nature, the sage is in accord with the Tao." ~Lao Tzu

Confucianism: "When we see men of a contrary character, we should turn inwards and examine ourselves.”



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Posted 04/26/08 - 09:19 PM:
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Nietzsche: we ought to overcome nihilism.

I have, currently, devoted my life to overcoming nihilism. I think it can be accomplished through expression and an honest acknowledgment of the self.

"A life with love will have many thorns, but a life without love will have no roses."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

"I feel as if I were a piece in a game of chess, when my opponent says of it: That piece can not be moved."
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Posted 04/27/08 - 03:00 AM:
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Abiathar wrote:
All thought is derived from words, of course, so let us ask a question... who's words do you follow?

J S Bach & Vincent Van Goch. sticking out tongue

The observer is the observed. J Krishnamurti

"Philosophy, to the Philistine, is an evolutionary process, watched over by some sort of brisk dynamic Providence, and culminating in the supreme insight of modern thought." John Cowper Powys
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Posted 04/28/08 - 01:03 PM:
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So, as far as we can tell we have One Truth is Beauty (unenlightened wink ) and one Modern Western, and somewhere in the area of 19,000 people who have no perscribed thought processes.
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Posted 04/28/08 - 01:36 PM:
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Gnothe seauton = Know thyself has always been present since I was 19 or so. I reflect (too) much upon myself and unfortunately lose out on the "here and now" at times because of it.

But this year it has also been

some Jewish thingy I read wrote:
He who continually speaks and worries over an evil that he has done, will not stop to think of it, and in what one thinks, we remain embedded; the soul is fully embedded in what one thinks; and thus he is stuck in this wrong: soon he will not be able to turn himself away, because his mind becomes crude and his heart hardens and morosity can easily overcome him. What is it you want? Whether we stir shit lef or stir shit right, it remains shit. Yes I sinned, no I didnt sin, what do the heavens care? In the time that I worry about it, I could have written poems, to the joy of the heavens. Therefore, turn yourself entirely away from the wrong, don't agonise about it and do some good. Have you done a wrong? Offset it with something good.


But the year before it was

me wrote:
The insisting feeling of something beyond, out of reach, inexplicable but persistent, spiritual and unreasonable. Magnificence, excellence, divinity, beauty all come together - but these words, shackled by human expression and interpretation, fall short, yet only through antrophomorphism can I begin to express something as elusive; a seed that might grow to understanding in another.

Yet through words I move further away from understanding what lies beyond, it is as if to understand it I require an entirely different way of thinking - to let go of words, feelings and visions and then all that is left to me is Silence. And this is brought about whenever I think of the wonder of existence, the idea that Something is more natural than Nothing, whereas I cannot divine at all - not understand in the slightest - why this is; I see no reason for Everything to begin or to have an end or to have always existed.

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Posted 04/28/08 - 02:03 PM:
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JAC wrote:
Nietzsche: we ought to overcome nihilism.

I have, currently, devoted my life to overcoming nihilism. I think it can be accomplished through expression and an honest acknowledgment of the self.

Really? I am not a nihilist but I don't really see whatis so horrible about nihilism. Its almost like its a dirty word.
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Posted 04/29/08 - 04:47 AM:
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Well, I tend to carefully listen to G.W.F. Hegel. But I would also like Nietzsche, Kant, Aristoteles, Al Farabi, Machiavelli, Foucault and Heidegger to chime in.

By the way the name of the Dutch painter is Van Gogh. It is pronounced with two hard G's like they also have in Arabic. It is a bit lik Van Ghhooaagh. Imitate a dynosaur with a throatache and you are getting it.

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Posted 04/29/08 - 04:48 AM:
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Kant made a great point there.
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Posted 04/29/08 - 04:52 AM:
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Ahh thanks modbot, but I am in fact not Kant. I am Tobias. Kant is just in my signature. But thanks for the complment. You are one hell of a sweet bot.

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