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loui100
Graduate Usergroup: Members Joined: Jul 13, 2007 Total Topics: 16 Total Posts: 168 |
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Subject: Sex pheromones Firstly I would like to state that I presume as a scientific fact that pheromones play a major role in human sexuality and arousal. I do not intend to argue this here, but rather would like to theroise as to the level to which we could take this concept. My question, to all those interested in the subject, would be- could I, given I had an extracted female sexual pheromone, in fact attract a heterosexual man into sexual lust and maybe even romance with me(being a man)? I'm just curious, if this could be possible. Would spraying a bit of female pheromones be enough to awaken lust in a heterosexual man? Or perhaps the senses rensponsible for the detection of pheromones are too weak in humans to for scents to work instantly and on their own, or they grow weak with age? I wonder... I wonder also if it could be possible to make a person bisexual by therapies which would involve spraying the person with appropriate sex pheromones to which the subject REACTS with association with visuals of the gender to which the pheromones do not belong. Simply speaking, can I make a homosexual man begin to associate male pheromones with not only male but also female anatomy, making him quasi-bisexual? |
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Hypothesis
Honest Soul  Usergroup: Sponsors Joined: Jul 30, 2004 Location: England Total Topics: 41 Total Posts: 930 |
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I think this is known a psychological conditioning (Pavlov's dog). It's possible to do it but the real question here is... Why be selfish ? In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. |
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loui100
Graduate Usergroup: Members Joined: Jul 13, 2007 Total Topics: 16 Total Posts: 168 |
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Selfish? Well, its not a place to discuss ethics, plus I actually had in mind to undertake this therapy of bisexuality myself. |
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jimRH7
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why would you WANT to make yourself attractive to men? "I'm just curious," (cue finbarr suanders-esq snigger) I don't believe Pheromones play a significant role in human attraction. I think image is much more important, otherwise how do naughty magazines work? Also, if pheromones were a contributing factor, wouldn't homosexuality be a lot less common? (no offense meant, if your gay by the way,). Correct me if i am wrong, but don't most psychologists, etc., say that feelings of love come from a correlation between the way eg: a women looks and acts and the way your mother looks(ed) and acts(ed)? I'm sure I read a survey somewhere relating to this that said that most gay folk have effeminate fathers and/or masculine mothers. My reason behind the idea that homosexuality would be a lot less common comes from the assumption that pheromones would have to rely on instinct. Of course I could use my own premise about gay folks' parents to blow this out the water as well, by saying that the smell is just another attribute of the mother/father for the lover to see in other people. Edited by Landlady on Jan 13, 2008 - 9:13 PM. Reason: grammar |
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loui100
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Well, I AM homosexual and finding the affliction most impractical, I would like to become bisexual, if to increase my freedom in love life. As to pheromones, http://www.pheromones.com/ here is some reading on the subject. Basically speaking, its a fact now that pheromones are the basis of sexual attraction. Visual attraction is mostly through association of pheromone smell with certain anatomy. Why is pheromone attraction making homosexuality impossibe for you? Its simple, it has been proven that homosexual people react to the opposite sex pheromones as heterosexual people. So a gay woman responds to the sex pheromones of a heterosexual man etc. It is said that its not binary, that is an individual has certain levels of reception to each of these pheromones and thus can react to both, or to just one. |
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Mars Man
Tenured Poster  Usergroup: Sponsors Joined: Sep 27, 2006 Location: Matsumoto, Japan Total Topics: 13 Total Posts: 1048 |
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The matter of pheromones, as far as I have learned (and am still in process) is not so strong...especially in today's life style. Now in the past, it may have been more so in some social groups--Napoleon, in one letter to his wife with the news of his going back home, requested that she not wash just before. (obviously to get the full scent) Studies done seem to more clearly leave us with the conclusion that a lot more goes into mate selection/attraction than merely the pure biological element of scent--although it does play some role. As for brain sex, the typical genetical male tends more greatly to lean on vision than scent, and that probably carries over more so in even the homosexually set genetic male--as opposed to the genetic female whose sense of smell is going to be sharper, on average. I tend to doubt some of the older Freud theories here, so do not put such great value on some psychologists' views from any 'old school' frame of mind. |
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jimRH7
Graduate Usergroup: Members Joined: Jan 09, 2008 Total Topics: 11 Total Posts: 108 |
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Great! All I have to do is not wash for a couple of weeks, and all the birds will be gagging for it! Get in! Seriously though, this is one of the theories put forward why pheromones are perhaps less prominent in today's world than in the past - because most people wash themselves so regularly that the smell never has a chance to gain momentum. I think pheromones could have an effect, but it's very subtle and unnoticeable, especially in comparison with image - I wouldn't find a fat rank man-beast attractive no matter what she smelt like. loui100 wrote: You need to stop worrying, dude! Love is, by nature, impractical and irrational. What about couples that are infertile? Or someone finding a movie star attractive when they know they can't have them? I'm a total homophobe, but I realise that it's not my position to tell someone who they should find attractive. If I fell into mutual love with someone, and someone else tried to tell me it was somehow wrong or bad, I'd tell them what to do with themselves, that's for sure.I AM homosexual and finding the affliction most impractical... To return to the subject, my argument is that if pheromones are the basis for sexual attraction, and they are the same for EVERY man or woman (regardless of sexual preference) then men would be practically exclusively attracted to women and vice versa. From experience, I've found even small groups of heterosexual men can't agree on whether a woman is attractive. If it all hinged on pheromones it would be obvious - smelliest girl wins. Men would only be attracted to (smelly!) girls and vice versa. Since this is not the case, pheromones cannot be the basis for sexual attraction. Edited by Postmodern Beatnik on Jan 10, 2008 - 3:13 PM. Reason: illiteracy |
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loui100
Graduate Usergroup: Members Joined: Jul 13, 2007 Total Topics: 16 Total Posts: 168 |
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Yes, well my theory is that pheromones are the chemicals of which pressence kindles sexual arousal, lust etc. Now, during our sexual development, we associate, in our minds, certain visuals or even abstract concepts(pedophilia probably, certainly fetishes) with specific pheromones. The process, in my reckoning, is chiefly random, and thus various environments produce huge amounts of possibilities of how the individual's taste should evolve. If, for instance, an individual lives in a culture where all women are fat, he shall find anorectic women of the western culture rather appaling. On the other hand, cultures dominated by anorectic women shall form tastes for such kind of women. There of course variations and exceptions but this is how I see this. You see, the reason why I do not accept that it is visuals that lay in our instincts, that form the foundations of sexuality, is because I simply don't see how an individual can be possibly aroused by visual alone. I'm not saying its impossible, but highly implausible whereas pheromones have been shown to have this kind of effect. Visuals are strictly connected with perception which is very much intellectual and rather non-instinctive, so to speak, not primal as would be reasonable for anything that forms the basis of our animal instincts- our sexuality. |
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Cadrache
Tenured Poster  Usergroup: Members Joined: Dec 09, 2006 Location: AB, Canada Total Topics: 108 Total Posts: 3181 |
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I would disagree that visuals is non-instinctive. If you look at the advancement of our intellect, our development went along with visual ability; possibly for the simple reason that books last longer then a scent trail. In other words, if you looked at how our intellectual prowess had developed, then visuals would be found to be the most developed of all our senses. Here is another key point to science. It is more political then politics. In order to get money to do studies, one must not already do a study that has already been done. In other words, if we have old knowledge that is still circulating in the general public about visual queues, and you want to do a study on this thing which everybody already 'knows', then nobody will give you money to fund it. Now, the entire study was mostly about sexual arousal to begin with, but nobody has done much in the advancement of pheremone study until recently. Most of them were only a footnotes. Promotion of the idea of pheremone requires a unique way of advertising. So people sway the masses a little bit. They tell a truth, yet propose it in such a way as to get the money to do the testing. Does this invalidate what they found? Not sure. Is the data likely weighted? Possibly. Now on to your first question. You wouldn't likely be able to promote lust, and the like though you could possibly create interest. Visuals still do play a large role, check up on the history of cosmetics a little bit, especially the areas of how various cultures make a virtue more noticable. Words the wiser become the name you do not know. - Some guy with a surname Blanchard. _____________________________________________ For Wit to happen; one must first play in shadows. |
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jimRH7
Graduate Usergroup: Members Joined: Jan 09, 2008 Total Topics: 11 Total Posts: 108 |
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OK, I would like to compare pheromones to something else, I find it much easier to work with analogies. Now, we've all seen those cartoons etc. where there's a freshly made hot pie sitting on a window sill, and the smell drives a feeling of hunger or desire from the smeller. I would say that, if pheromones existed, they would act in a similar manner to the pie, to drive sexual desire. I find it hard to imagine a smell that we can't actually smell having any effect on a human being. As another example, take a baby. The sight of a babies' face can often inspire parental instincts, especially in women. Now, we don't need knowledge that a baby is our young and we need to protect it for the survival of the species to feel these emotions, they are instinctual, presumably in the same way as pheromones would be. But it would be a little harder to experience these emotions if the baby was invisible! So how can a smell that we don't notice directly effect us? |
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