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Recent Mining Tragedy & Divine Intervention
Was there Divine intervention somewhere in the recent mining accident?

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Recent Mining Tragedy & Divine Intervention

weloki
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Posted 01/05/06 - 03:24 PM: Subject: Recent Mining Tragedy & Divine Intervention	#1
With regard to the recent mining accident I try to write this with the utmost sensitivity. I was talking with a coworker about the tragedy and the fact that the families awaited the news in their local church was brought up. For those of us that watched the news before the final outcome, we saw that the families and friends of the trapped miners came together and prayed quite a bit for the safety of those miners. The discussion with my coworker led to the notion of Divine intervention and we wondered if it was present during this tragedy or not, or if it was present to some degree. Given that so many people (around the country, no doubt) prayed for it, why would Divine intervention not be given? Why would so many prayers be rejected/denied? Perhaps the miners, save one, died before anyone else had a chance to pray. In that case it was a terrible accident. But if they were alive and something could have been done by Divine intervention brought on by prayer, then why not? Is Divine intervention something that is even brought on by prayer, or can it be something noticed after the fact? For example, a child falls from a 10 story building and lives could be seen as Divine intervention where nobody prayed for it because it happened so fast. I guess my question is, for all those believing Christians, why would God deny them their sincere prayers?

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Posted 01/05/06 - 05:10 PM:	#2
Perhaps the whole notion of prayer needs to be reviewed, perhaps people need to find new ways of rekating to and experiencing and the divine

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Posted 01/05/06 - 05:22 PM:	#3
If there was divine intervention then I suppose they all would have survived instead of the other way around.
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Posted 01/05/06 - 10:20 PM:	#4
I was asking the exact same question as I was watching the news. Tears were rolling down my eyes. Edited by Mariner on 01/06/06 - 03:49 AM. Reason: it was a blank
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Posted 01/05/06 - 11:19 PM:	#5
I find it interesting that those who pray in hope of people getting out in situations like this are lined up when it turns out that they were infact saved, to put it down to divine intervention. But how about the fact that all of them died except one in this situation, despite all those prayers. Doesn't it make you lot feel embarassed that you could be so mistaken about God and religion? Or is there some justification that you can conjur up to save your faith? I'm idly curious.
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Posted 01/05/06 - 11:26 PM:	#6
And the one that survived is in a coma...
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Posted 01/06/06 - 12:16 AM:	#7
I'm not sure but it sounds like everyone here wants to live? Are you looking forward to death? Or are you of the age that you think it is far into the future. How do we know God didn't intervene. After all, we all have a purpose here. If you don't believe that then why are you still here? Maybe they have fulfilled their purpose. Or maybe they refused to see a purpose and nothing was there to keep them going. None of us know the spiritual situation of these men. Were they believers? Were there prayers going out for only one of them? All we know is this. Anyone of us can leave this world at anytime. What is more logical. 1. To not believe and find out you were wrong. 2. To not believe and not find out anything. 3. To believe and find out you were right. 4. To believe and not find out anything. To not believe or to believe in God. Your choice. But one day you will know for sure. I hope you pick the right choice. Use logic.
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Posted 01/06/06 - 01:04 AM:	#8
You are taking some assumptions for granted while you consider the belief in God in this way, I could just as easily say that 1. To believe and find out you were wrong, and exist in pain for eternity as the robots that had you in the Matrix torture you to death horribly then revive you with advanced technology. 2. To believe that God doesn't exist, and find out you were right, you then received the best of care in the robot world. Because just like you said, I can't prove that I'm in the matrix or not in the matrix, just like God. See the problem with this?
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Posted 01/06/06 - 03:55 AM:	#9
weloki wrote: I guess my question is, for all those believing Christians, why would God deny them their sincere prayers? I don't know the details of the story. But my answer is that God knows better than us what we need.* He is not in the business of granting all individual wishes, no matter how noble they are, but rather in the business of creating the best of all possible worlds. He sometimes allows us to suffer in order to make the redemption even more glorious. Hollow words, I know, and I wouldn't think of consoling anyone with this. The pain of losing a loved one can't be contained in words. But I'm in a philosophy forum, after all, and am trying to be detached. By the way, I can also say that through the pain of losing a loved one, we get a glimpse of how God feels about each of us, while we do not accept His love. Because, outside of His love, we are dead -- and He knows that, while He loves us. That's His predicament. *This sentence does not imply that we should not pray, any more than it does imply that we should not work for our subsistence. Prayer, just as work, is not for God's benefit, it is for ours.
"In faith there is enough light for those who want to believe and enough shadows to blind those who don't." -- Blaise Pascal "The more I am by myself and alone, the more I have come to love myths" -- Aristotle in his later years

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Posted 01/06/06 - 08:16 PM:	#10
Indeed wrote: You are taking some assumptions for granted while you consider the belief in God in this way, I could just as easily say that 1. To believe and find out you were wrong, and exist in pain for eternity as the robots that had you in the Matrix torture you to death horribly then revive you with advanced technology. 2. To believe that God doesn't exist, and find out you were right, you then received the best of care in the robot world. Because just like you said, I can't prove that I'm in the matrix or not in the matrix, just like God. See the problem with this? I don't recall the robots torturing anyone after they die in the Matrix. I'm not sure what you're asking.
Zoe: I know something ain't right. Wash: Sweetie, we're crooks. If everything were right, we'd be in jail.

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