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TMB
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Posted 03/20/08 - 08:28 PM:
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I would like to get some education and debate around this proposition from N. From my limited reading (I have not read 'will to power' itself), I understand that N places this concept as being the fundamenal force that underlies all behavior for animals and humans (plants?), has some relationship to Schopenhauer and his "will to live''. I also understand that N philosophy is somewhat disjointed between his various works, and the continuation of his ideas is not always consistent between the works. Will to power appears to be referable among a number of his works, and I presume that the posthumous work of this name might me give the answers I seek. However, I am lazy and do not have easily access to this book, and would like to hear from those better read on this topic, who can tell me.

- the exact meaning of this idea and then

- be prepared to discuss it.

I understand the meaning has been broken into various levels. My interest is the basic essence of the idea, practical application, evidence and implications to life.


Edited by TMB on 03/20/08 - 08:33 PM
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Posted 07/03/09 - 08:48 AM:
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First of all Nietzsche didn't really write Will to Power. It is a book comprised of exerpts from different writings of his. It was used as Nazi Propaganda. I don't think it really is what he was trying to say about the subject. Nietzsche was not anti-semetic.

Anyway, he thought the will to life that Darwin talked about was not our basic will because humans will often put their life in danger for other things. Such as going to war. Whether for money, honor or whatever he saw that for a person joining the army a will to life wasn't first priority because there was a high chance of dying.

He thought a will to power was mans basic will. Im not sure what i think about a "will" in the first place but I think a will to power is more accurate than a will to life. And I don't think he meant just money or holding a high office or anything like that, I think it could be as simple as a will to power over your own mind or actions. sure for some people it could be about the power of money, but at least for me I feel no need for money. However I do feel the need to have power over the way I think and act etc.

Thats what I have taken from what he has written about will to power from what I've read.
But it does make sense...its kind of what would separate humans from animals, we're past just surviving. But like I said I'm not sure we're born with a "will" to anything.
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Posted 07/05/09 - 09:39 AM:
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Der Wille zur Macht is more for Nietzsche that a simple control and personal choice. It is ultimate tied up with Geist, the ruling and dominate element behind all our struggles, behind all our world conquests, and ultimately our rise to superpower and superhumanity. Ms. Taha in her book, Nietzsche: the Cult of Power, accurately has an article concerning Wille and Macht that can not be accurately translated into English.
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Posted 07/05/09 - 10:27 AM:
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The Will to Power, as Nietzsche would put it, is the underlying, foremost, dominant will.The basic premiss is that the Will to Power is the drive to make oneself powerful and to exert one's power on one's world. All other wills are derivative of the Will to Power. For example, one Wills to Live so that one may increase and exert one's power further. One Wills to Eat as nutrition increases strength/power and also because one requires it to survive, which leads to the Will to Live which leads to the Will to Power. One Wills to Procreate so that one's child may carry on one's legacy, memory and power. One Wills to Fame so that one's power influences as many persons as possible and that so one has as power over as many people as possible. One Wills to Knowledge as knowledge can be used to become powerful. One Wills to Relationships so that one may have power over these relations.


As the Will to Power is the primary will all actions willed that decrease power are caused by a self-destructive, self-opposing will. For example, the Will to Suicide comes when one's will has been inverted in such a way; suicide leads to a loss of power (most of the time; one might garner post-humous fame if one does commit suicide, an action under those intentions is an example of the Will to Power.)


Nietzsche would argue that the Will to Power is innate in human biology, that it is a primal urge. A child is an apparent example of the Will to Power; the child kicks and screams at the world and it's mother to exert it's power on them, It will eat and sleep when ever it has the oppurtunity to do so so that it may grow and become more powerful. Only when the child grows older and learns that it must contain and control itself more in order to advance socially and therefore become more powerful does it stop exerting it's will upon the world in the most immediate way.


Practically, this would mean that the healthiest and strongest will would be the one which freely exhibits the Will to Power in all instances and never opposes it. For example, a healthy will shall not wish to give money to charity as there is only a loss of power in such an instance. There might be cases, however, that when you donate a huge sum of money to charity that you then receive attention from the community and thus become more popular and therefore more powerful. If one is to have a healthy and strong will then it follows that one should always maintain this power orientated mindset. This is extremely contradictory to contemporary moralities held commonly today such as utilitarianism and egalitarian morals. This is part of the basis upon which Nietzsche attacked Christianity as the religion is directly opposed to the Will to Power and therefore directly opposed to man's innate nature and desires.


Nietzsche was a strong humanist. He wanted to find out as much about man's nature as possible and encourage one to embrace that nature. As such he was a psychologist himself and encouraged all forms of science as they all lead to knowledge which helps us to gain understanding of man's nature: man's physiology and man's Universe (the Universe in which man belongs to, not the other way around.)


The Will to Power drives one to exert one's power such as the child does. However, one chooses to conserve themselves and not act in this child-like way so that they may, in the grander scheme, gain more power so that they can exert as much power as possible onto the world. It is comparable to immediate pleasure / long-term pleasure. As such, the Will to Become More Powerful is the derivative of the Will to Exert Power and these two wills are collectively called the Will to Power. For example, one chooses to write a book so that one's power may be continually exerted through their writings when another is influenced by them. However, this is my interpretation and not necessarily Nietzsche's exact thoughts. Perhaps I am confusing the matter, perhaps the Will to Exert Power and the Will to Become More Powerful are completely inseperable.



Edited by Crackers on 07/05/09 - 10:59 AM
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