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Nietzsche - understandable?

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Posted 09/23/09 - 12:28 PM:	#81
Cadrache wrote: Mere Form is not an answer. Just look how much further we went intellectually when we stopped looking at alchemy and changed to science. This line of thought perhaps only works within its own time frame though, soon enough(1000 years? >_>) form will be all that's left, any more explanation beyond that point would have no testable hypothesis. Scientists would either turn religious, change professions, or kill themselves.
Heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says "Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says "But Doctor... I am Pagliacci." Good joke, everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum... Curtains.

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Posted 09/23/09 - 02:22 PM:	#82
Nah.. from the physics standpoint, it is now. QM , string, Mr. E can be reconstituted through form. (theoritically - you could call it Sartre's theory of induction.)
"...There was a writer who asked why it was that when we find positive experiences we say that only the physical facts are real, but in negative experiences we believe that reality is subjective. He made an example of those who say that in birth only the pain is real, the joy a subjective point of view, but that in death it is the emotional loss that is the reality." - Tony Ballantyne, Recursion. _____________________________________________ Truth is want. - The internal state of matters. Truth is Need. - The external state of affairs.

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Posted 09/23/09 - 06:44 PM:	#83
Cadrache wrote: Nah.. from the physics standpoint, it is now. QM , string, Mr. E can be reconstituted through form. (theoritically - you could call it Sartre's theory of induction.) The biological stuff has it good still though, I don't see any end in sight any time soon.
Heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says "Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says "But Doctor... I am Pagliacci." Good joke, everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum... Curtains.

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Posted 09/26/09 - 02:25 PM:	#84
Cadrache wrote: " Mere Form is not an answer. Just look how much further we went intellectually when we stopped looking at alchemy and changed to science. I don't know how much further we got intellectually, but I sure like the gadgets we can make.
Davidson: We make maximum sense of the words and thoughts of others when we interpret in a way that optimizes agreement. Russel Morris: There's a meaning there, but the meaning there doesn't really mean a thing... Ned: Such is life

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Posted 09/27/09 - 07:26 AM:	#85
A non-dualistic term for once Banno? A find a few of them rather simplistic. Like that new collider thing-a-ma-gig. I mean nobody even bothers to question what is the difference between achievable results vs. observable phenomena. If they do find this awesome-o by the name of 'higgs' - then they'll completely assume that this robotic contraption must naturally exist... Oh, and the newest GPS system is rather cool too!
"...There was a writer who asked why it was that when we find positive experiences we say that only the physical facts are real, but in negative experiences we believe that reality is subjective. He made an example of those who say that in birth only the pain is real, the joy a subjective point of view, but that in death it is the emotional loss that is the reality." - Tony Ballantyne, Recursion. _____________________________________________ Truth is want. - The internal state of matters. Truth is Need. - The external state of affairs.

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Posted 09/27/09 - 10:29 AM:	#86
How could anything achieved within nature not be a part of nature itself? It's not as if the process of colliding these hadrons is somehow unnatural or even unknown.
Heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says "Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says "But Doctor... I am Pagliacci." Good joke, everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum... Curtains.

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Posted 09/27/09 - 10:31 AM:	#87
Look at smaller things while considering the argument of 'Are humans impinging on Creation?'
"...There was a writer who asked why it was that when we find positive experiences we say that only the physical facts are real, but in negative experiences we believe that reality is subjective. He made an example of those who say that in birth only the pain is real, the joy a subjective point of view, but that in death it is the emotional loss that is the reality." - Tony Ballantyne, Recursion. _____________________________________________ Truth is want. - The internal state of matters. Truth is Need. - The external state of affairs.

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Posted 09/27/09 - 12:46 PM:	#88
We can't impinge if we are part of it. And I was thinking more of this little macbook. A delight to use. Considering it is made of sand, rocks and oil, I think we are pretty clever.
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Posted 09/28/09 - 04:32 PM:	#89
Eril, I don't believe Nietzsche was the extreme individualist. But his style of writing and his content is deliberately provocative and individualistic. But you are right, the source of his content is historical. The very notion of the Superman or overman, was hardly original but it was meant to stir and inspire. This superman idea is common in the 19th century, perhaps a natural extension of Darwin's theories. But others Ibsen and G B Shaw also popularised and played with this notion. But origin of the notion, I believe, is In Goethe's , "Faust" it is also here quite clearly diabolical. It is impossible to believe N would not have read Faust. Thus it is clear tNietzsche is stirring, always stirring. Remember, he believes our metaphysical truths are all nonsense. All our knowledge, morality needs to be revalued. In this sense N is scarey, but I think much of his work is just taking the piss. But given his message, taking the piss was appropriate. There is not that much which is truly original - It is enough surely, to say hey let me show how all your assumption are pure nonsense. He is having fun at the expense of all his contemporaries. Given the clarity of what he saw, what was his alternative, how alse was he to make himself clear. There is really far too much fear of N.

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Posted 09/28/09 - 04:42 PM:	#90
Tsk.. Banno.. you obviously aren't using oil, sand, rocks and oil if you are using a macbook! Just like how Linux isn't a computer. But windows... it's a PC. All of it is a Tragedy! I do rather like that other part of the statement. Edited by Cadrache on 09/28/09 - 04:47 PM
"...There was a writer who asked why it was that when we find positive experiences we say that only the physical facts are real, but in negative experiences we believe that reality is subjective. He made an example of those who say that in birth only the pain is real, the joy a subjective point of view, but that in death it is the emotional loss that is the reality." - Tony Ballantyne, Recursion. _____________________________________________ Truth is want. - The internal state of matters. Truth is Need. - The external state of affairs.

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