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Nietzsche - understandable?

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Posted 09/18/09 - 02:25 PM:	#61
I agree about Donnie Darko, but Fight Club actually has a decent plot and great acting. Can't go wrong with Edward Norton.
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Posted 09/18/09 - 02:31 PM:	#62
So, moving back to the topic of this thread, to what extent is homophilia implicit in Nietzsche? It is, after all, about the over-man, not an over-woman. Is that sweaty Brad Pitt the sort of thing of which Nietzche would approve? He seems to be from a matriarchal family, after all. Does he appeal to latent homosexuals?
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Posted 09/18/09 - 02:34 PM:	#63
That's a damn fine question.
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Posted 09/18/09 - 06:35 PM:	#64
You guys are getting really irreverent. Look, I can only speak from experience, but I would say that yes, Nietzsche does tend to speak to those with strong homosexual tendencies. But you have to look deeper than that. Remember: who did the Greeks think were the most beautiful creatures around...yes.

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0 of 1 people found this post helpful Posted 09/18/09 - 09:05 PM:	#65
Elston wrote: You guys are getting really irreverent. Look, I can only speak from experience, but I would say that yes, Nietzsche does tend to speak to those with strong homosexual tendencies. But you have to look deeper than that. Remember: who did the Greeks think were the most beautiful creatures around...yes. There is no such thing as an irreleva-- Okay, there is. But this was semi-relevant and thanks for providing an answer. It's not a question I think deserves scholarly research, but it's a question. And it's our job to ask questions, no?
"In short, a land ethic changes the role of Homo sapiens from conqueror of the land-community to plain member and citizen of it." - Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac "A thing is right when it tends to preserve the integrity, stability, and beauty of the biotic community. It is wrong when it tends otherwise." -- Ipid.

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Posted 09/19/09 - 08:13 AM:	#66
Quite frankly, to condemn or ridicule a man's work by casting aspersions pertaining to his sexual orientation or his interfamilial relations is really beyond contempt. Indeed, some posters seem to entirely miss the tragic irony of condemning Neitzsche as the founder of Nazism whilst comfortably casting homosexual aspersions: this really quite fantastic! I am sorry but following some of the above exchanges, I have entirely lost respect for some. Let me put it to you bluntly, without Neitzsche it is simply impossible to understand the progress of philosophy in the 20th and 21st century. If you find him opaque you will struggle to appreciate all the significant schools that have evolved since: critical analysis, post modernism, structuralism, post-structiuralism etc, etc. You will find that this fellow has had a extra-ordinary effect on philosophy. Because someone is excited by Neitzsche, it does not necessarily follow that you agree with him. He is exciting because he challenges our normative cultural beliefs. He changes our paradigm. He exposes the flaws in normative paradigm. He inspired Foucalt, and Wittgenstein. He inspired Existentialism, It is not important whether you agree with the overman or master morality, what is critical is we come to appreciate that the normative values in our culture are not enshrined necessities but a series of choices decided by historical power struggles and accidents. Is this important? perhaps not, perhaps all that is important is whether he was gay! Really?

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Posted 09/19/09 - 11:06 AM:	#67
yebiga wrote: ...what is critical is we come to appreciate that the normative values in our culture are not enshrined necessities but a series of choices decided by historical power struggles and accidents. Is this important? perhaps not, perhaps all that is important is whether he was gay! Really? About the first point above (and the post), what occurs to me is how rare it is for a single person to attack a tradition in its entirety and with such consequence. Everything about the Nietzsche adds to this, his passion, obsession, vision, his skill at writing, his person, his lived life. These are the kind of people that we readily build into myths, embellish an already captivating story. They invite our exaggeration by their very other-ness, by their nature. Perhaps we are envious, or we love the tragic genius figure, hold it a bit in awe from our position, which must pale in comparison. With the second, I guess I have never thought that much about it. Except that we are all whole packages, and that you remove anything from a person and you do not have the same person. Or that it would seem as good a non-reason as any to explain his genius. In the totally and truly irrelevant category what I think of immediately is the moustache, the profile. Just the merest of outlines and there is this recognition. You see immediately... Nietzsche. He is full there. Edited by mutemaler on 09/19/09 - 11:13 AM

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0 of 1 people found this post helpful Posted 09/19/09 - 11:39 AM:	#68
Somebody give this man an oscar!
"In short, a land ethic changes the role of Homo sapiens from conqueror of the land-community to plain member and citizen of it." - Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac "A thing is right when it tends to preserve the integrity, stability, and beauty of the biotic community. It is wrong when it tends otherwise." -- Ipid.

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0 of 1 people found this post helpful Posted 09/19/09 - 03:25 PM:	#69
But you Bruces will all know the rules of the Department of Philosophy at the University of Woolamaloo.
Davidson: We make maximum sense of the words and thoughts of others when we interpret in a way that optimizes agreement. Russel Morris: There's a meaning there, but the meaning there doesn't really mean a thing... Ned: Such is life

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0 of 1 people found this post helpful Posted 09/20/09 - 12:58 AM: Subject: ODE TO AN URN	#70
Banno wrote: But you Bruces will all know the rules of the Department of Philosophy at the University of Woolamaloo. "Fire is bright and fire is clean." Irony a non-combustible residue. Edited by mutemaler on 09/21/09 - 01:54 AM

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