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Music: an art in decline ?

Pill17
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Posted 10/03/07 - 05:37 PM:	#61
From what I have experienced, kids just are not as creative these days. I am thankful that my mother made me grow up outdoors, where my immagination could grow and expand. But unfortunately, more and more kids are being raised with a screen instead of creative tools. It's very sad, but I think it makes sense that uncreative bands are very big right now simply because there is a large, uncreative audience. Also, my school mates with the worst taste in music also seem to be the ones obsesed with texting, myspace, etc. I think the popularity of "good" music will rise when parents start taking away the T.V.s and giving their kids boxes to play with.

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Posted 10/03/07 - 07:45 PM:	#62
Post-burnt wrote: Kurt Cobain is the richest dead musician alive [sic] as well. And?

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Posted 10/04/07 - 09:34 AM:	#63
Jonicus wrote: And? I was merely intimating that using the example of a very rich musician (which he was while alive as well, he's just gone stellar since dying) as an example of creativity while decrying commerce as a impediment to creativity strikes me as somewhat odd.

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Posted 10/05/07 - 11:20 AM:	#64
The question that underlies is whether western culture is on the decline. I believe it is, not that it was ever that great in the first place. At least however there were some high points, in Art and Science, but not much else. Ghandi replied when asked about his thoughts on western civilization that "It seems like a nice idea." Folk music has evaporated due to our changing society and consequently has cut off the source for "high culture" music.
After such knowledge, what forgiveness? T.S. Eliot You've had a cream of a nightmare dream and you've got the hoo-ha's coming to you. T.S. Eliot

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Posted 10/05/07 - 12:16 PM:	#65
Folk music is alive and well - get yourself to a local club night and you will find DJ's who play their own tunes. In the pubs you will find talented singers, Musicians, Lyricists, Poets, more than you can shake a stick at. Local music scenes are common and increasing due to the new surge in live music caused by the mp3 effect combined with the comparative ease of recording, production, and distribution enabled by netwoking of the internet. We live in a golden time - all that is required is for us all to get ourselves out these listening and making the music of tomorrow. Or we could sit here and say how its it not as good as the old days. Cheers

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Posted 10/05/07 - 09:08 PM:	#66
Amen to that, Makarismos. The "good old days" are happening right now. Many are too lazy or ignorant to see it.

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Posted 10/07/07 - 08:42 PM:	#67
Makarismos wrote: Folk music is alive and well - get yourself to a local club night and you will find DJ's who play their own tunes. In the pubs you will find talented singers, Musicians, Lyricists, Poets, more than you can shake a stick at. I would disagree, I have been to such places and typically enjoy myself but I am not convinced that it justifies itself as folk music/art. Night clubs/coffee shops that host these particular events cater to a particular crowd and particular events even more so. The pluralism of large cities tends to segregate and reinforce particular genres of art/entertainment and as a consequent limit the communication that occurs between different people living closely to one another. The more global our society becomes the more homogenized it becomes. It's a trade off, there are benefits and there are detriments. This is to say that I am very unlikely to ever communicate with people who hold opinions that differ much from mine where as before television, the internet and to an extent radio, most people of particular communities would gather at some sort of center and inevitably begin making music, dancing and discussing politics etc... Bach, Mozart, John Coltrane all took simple folk/pop culture music and reinvented it. Currently, even the most honest art/entertainment is consumed as something that reinforces who we believe we are instead of presenting itself as something new and challenging. As modernization has begun so rapidly in less wealthy countries many of the people like to identify with power, typically American popular culture. As for evidence, we need only realize the number of global traditions/local languages that are dying out. Much of culture, particularly music, is now influenced from the top down, not from the bottom up. This is why I would argue that folk music is evaporating. There are benefits such as declining xenophobia (overall) and some would argue that materially it benefits less wealthy countries. However, the superior process of creating interesting and worthwhile culture flows from the bottom up.
After such knowledge, what forgiveness? T.S. Eliot You've had a cream of a nightmare dream and you've got the hoo-ha's coming to you. T.S. Eliot

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Posted 10/10/07 - 01:05 PM:	#68
Is it change that you fear? But what can happen without it? What is dearer to nature or more vital to the universe? Look at everything that sustains you. Can you take a warm bath if the wood you burn doesn't change? Can you digest your food if it doesn't change Can any of your needs be met without change? Don't you see, then, that the change in music is no diffrent and similarly feeds the life of the universe?- Marcus Aurelus, The emporors handbook I think that saying pretty much sums up my feelings about the subject. I belive that musical form has to change and reach certain stages in order to enjoy it. Note: I changed death to music but I think marcus aurelius would still agree with that.

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Posted 10/12/07 - 04:15 AM:	#69
Music has become the product of the masses. Since the masses have stepped into a stage of vulgarity, contemporary pop music is simple, repetetive and uncreative. Its not just the artists that are bad nowadays, its just the demand of the masses that imposes this artistic infertility upon the aritsts. Wait a century and you will see the return of the golden 60's or even 30's. Wait two centuries and you will probably be back where you started, its just the way all things in nature work, and sadly humanity is still largely of nature rather than besides, if you know what I mean. And I fear that as time goes by, we will get closer and closer to nature rather than the other way round.

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Posted 10/12/07 - 11:15 AM:	#70
loui100 wrote: And I fear that as time goes by, we will get closer and closer to nature rather than the other way round. I think the further we get from nature the worse the music becomes, generally. What good has ever come of the electric guitar? synthesizers? Catchy tunes at best. Man is natural and belongs close to nature. Yes, I see the irony/hypocrisy in my posting this on the internet. That's the tyranny of technology, and my laziness.
After such knowledge, what forgiveness? T.S. Eliot You've had a cream of a nightmare dream and you've got the hoo-ha's coming to you. T.S. Eliot

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