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Posted 02/01/06 - 05:20 PM: Subject: Matter and Energy	#1
Can matter and energy be infinite? If they are not in infinite amounts they would be limited by something. With reference to a recent thread in phil of math, that something could be used to create more energy. Is there something that restricts them, or that contains them or produces both of them? Are matter and energy 2 aspects of one infinite source? Can matter and energy be dependent on one source or are they unlimited? Are matter and energy caused? Has matter and energy always been. Did they always exist, even before the universe was created. Did it exist even before any previous universes that may have existed? Are matter and energy dependent on something else? How could it be that matter and energy are? How could it be that there is something? Can we know if matter and energy are caused or if they are infinite? Can we figure it out?

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Posted 02/01/06 - 05:41 PM:	#2
We think of and talk of matter as a thing. But what is energy. We can't see it or hear it, we can only see and feel it's effects. It may be that energy is like a verb, a way of being. As a way of being, I think it could be infinite.

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Posted 02/02/06 - 01:32 PM:	#3
davidlewis wrote: We think of and talk of matter as a thing. But what is energy. We can't see it or hear it, we can only see and feel it's effects. It may be that energy is like a verb, a way of being. As a way of being, I think it could be infinite. Since everything is based on energy it is the only thing we can feel, hear, see. Unless your going to throw some dualism at me with which I will just nod politely.
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Posted 02/03/06 - 09:04 AM:	#4
Dont Know wrote: Since everything is based on energy it is the only thing we can feel, hear, see. Unless your going to throw some dualism at me with which I will just nod politely. Science can't explain the origins of Energy. Science can only answer local why-questions about events. "Why is there energy?" is a global question. Science can't answer global why-questions. We can say that God did it. We can then claim that at least I have a good explanation. But this explanation does not mean the explanation is plausible.That is an example of 'the only game in town fallacy'.

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Posted 03/05/06 - 08:44 PM:	#5
MrPootys wrote: The limit is the universe, its the single isolated system in theory. Unless, of course, the universe is infinite Dent
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Posted 03/25/06 - 11:20 AM: Subject: the problem of the rlue	#6
In gr8 they teach kids that matter cannot be created or destroyed-that is bs. Technicly E:mc2 shows us that you can convert energy with antimatter+matter =pure energy. I think there is no cosmic limit to how much energy can be produced and how much matter can be produced because the Universum is almost infinite. The thing about the maximum amount of energy you can exert is the maximum amount of matter multiplied by the speed of light squared. If the amount of matter is infinite then so is the amount of energy possible to be exherted. Really energy is part of matter because there is no such thing as a gap of energy in the universe. What happens is that energy works within matter and there is no place in the world where ther is a matter gap and no energy.

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Posted 04/01/06 - 07:34 AM:	#7
MrPootys wrote: Matter and energy are manifestations of the same thing. But e=mc2 doesnt quite go for it, as anti-matter-matter annihilation violates conservation laws. There will be a limit on how much energy and matter, unless the universe is indeed infinite, but that we dont know. I don't recall hearing that antimatter and matter anihilation violates the conservation laws. Where can I read about this?
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Posted 04/02/06 - 07:50 PM:	#8
Physics holds that there is a finite amount of energy in the universe, as far as I recal... Matter and energy really all being Energy... And the Laws of thermodinamics being what they are... Energy is not infinite.. as far as we can speculate based on our current phisical models.

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Posted 06/14/06 - 06:54 PM:	#9
Universal Axis says that our current physical models suggest that energy is not infinite. The number line is unbounded and infinite in length. Thus,is energy bounded? If there is not an infinite amount of energy than does'nt it make sense to say that it is bounded?

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Posted 06/27/06 - 09:49 AM:	#10
I don't know if Matter and Energy are actually infinite or potentially infinite, but I'm sure that they are the manifestation of the same thing (or better NO thing): void Void. The natural (antinomic) vibration of void Void makes points of mass (say neutrons/protons) collapse with spherical symmetry and build the space-time as a "communication method". This is why mass is really a space-time curvature. Energy is simply the variation of this curvature.

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