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Matrix doesn't make sense

Cat Stapler

Posted 03/28/04 - 04:46 PM:	#1
(I'm talking about the first Matrix here) Why would anyone want to leave the matrix? WHY? It doesn't make any sense at all. They can't even tell the difference. Why be released so that you can live the rest of your life in a squallid piece of feces that once was the Earth? To be "FREE"? What is free? Would they be "FREE" When they leave the matrix? What if they found out that the matrix was a really big computer program, and that they were all inside it, BUT (as a twist) they dont have real bodies on the outside. They are all just electrical signals inside the computer that is generating the matrix. Would they still want to be "FREE"? Would they say "hey, this isn't real! We're in a computer! We have to release ourselves from these bonds! I do not care if the real world is not as nice as this one, but at least we will be FREE!" Isn't this a retarded premise for a movie? The only possible reason anyone would have (that makes sense) for wanting out of the matrix, is so they can learn to program and design some sweet ass virtual playgrounds for themselves. The matrix doesn't make sense.

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Posted 03/28/04 - 05:01 PM:	#2
Cat Stapler wrote: The only possible reason anyone would have (that makes sense) for wanting out of the matrix, is so they can learn to program and design some sweet ass virtual playgrounds for themselves. As I recall they do. Remember all those training programs? And the girl in the red dress?
The desire for "freedom of the will" in the superlative sense, which still holds sway, unfortunately, in the minds of the half-educated; the desire to bear the entire and ultimate responsibility for one's actions oneself, and to absolve God, the world, ancestors, chance, and society involves nothing less than to be precisely this causa sui and, with more than Münchhausen's audacity, to pull oneself up into existence by the hair, out of the swamps of nothingness. - Nietzsche

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Posted 03/28/04 - 05:08 PM:	#3
I think that may be part of the message. Freedom under any condtions is better than slavery under the best conditions. It's also part of the quest for knowledge regardless of the price.
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Posted 03/28/04 - 05:09 PM:	#4
If you remember the matrix itself was not an environment that propagated happiness for all its inhabitants. It was infact an environment that held characteristics of how a real life would be in the late 20th cent. What I don't get is that a massive army is moving towards you bent on your destruction and the first you do is wet grind eachother to bad techno music? Would it have been all that bad if they were killed off?
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Cat Stapler

Posted 03/28/04 - 05:10 PM:	#5
jackasslea wrote: As I recall they do. Remember all those training programs? And the girl in the red dress? That wasn't their reason for leaving the Matrix though.

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Posted 03/28/04 - 05:17 PM:	#6
TheMessiahTM wrote: It's also part of the quest for knowledge regardless of the price. This probably is the best explanation for Neo leaving the Matrix. If I remember correctly, he was in search of Morpheus, who held some sort of deeper knowledge.
The desire for "freedom of the will" in the superlative sense, which still holds sway, unfortunately, in the minds of the half-educated; the desire to bear the entire and ultimate responsibility for one's actions oneself, and to absolve God, the world, ancestors, chance, and society involves nothing less than to be precisely this causa sui and, with more than Münchhausen's audacity, to pull oneself up into existence by the hair, out of the swamps of nothingness. - Nietzsche

Cat Stapler

Posted 03/28/04 - 05:31 PM:	#7
TheMessiahTM wrote: I think that may be part of the message. Freedom under any condtions is better than slavery under the best conditions. It's also part of the quest for knowledge regardless of the price. but what is freedom, and does it really make sense to attain it "regardless of the price"? Consider my twist on the matrix. The price of freedom from that modified matrix is ceasing to exist.

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Posted 03/28/04 - 05:35 PM:	#8
jackasslea wrote: This probably is the best explanation for Neo leaving the Matrix. If I remember correctly, he was in search of Morpheus, who held some sort of deeper knowledge. If it was about a personal search for knowledge, then I applaude Neo for his sacrifices in try to attain his goal. But that wasn't really what it was about. It was about freeing the human race from their "bonds". Personally, if Neo "freed" me, and I woke up in a big jar, my body covered in slime, with metal tubes inside my flesh, into a darkened world of shit, only to be flushed into a human disposal system, I wouldn't be thanking him. In fact, I would feel quite compelled to kick the crap out of the guy.

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Posted 03/28/04 - 05:41 PM:	#9
Cat Stapler wrote: What if they found out that the matrix was a really big computer program, and that they were all inside it, BUT (as a twist) they dont have real bodies on the outside. They are all just electrical signals inside the computer that is generating the matrix. There is a movie like that. It's called the Thirteenth Floor.
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Posted 03/28/04 - 06:55 PM:	#10
Cat Stapler wrote: but what is freedom, and does it really make sense to attain it "regardless of the price"? Consider my twist on the matrix. The price of freedom from that modified matrix is ceasing to exist. It may not make sense, but most people won't notice that because they aren't nearly as smart as the people on these forums. It basicly made a good story that would make a lot of money, people like stories about people struggling for freedom. You twist is interesting and valid, but I think it all goes back to the message of fighting for freedom.
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