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noscholar
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Posted 04/10/09 - 04:16 PM:	#11
CDJR wrote: Escape from reality? But in some way or another, all fiction is based on reality. Just because it may go unrecognized in short-terms does not mean it is no good. It could be a long-term good and we may never recognize it's effects in such terms. Even if it does not eventually lead to a revolution or something, it could be good: just not on a big scale. Art is a lie, as Picasso pointed out. Performing one's life based on artifice is delusional and cannot result in a positve outcome.

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Posted 04/10/09 - 08:41 PM:	#12
noscholar wrote: Quality is in the eye of the beholder? Quality is not a relative entity. We differentiate between better and inferior on sound non-variable criteria. No, we dont. That is why style changes over the years, that is why laws are adjusted and reinterpreted, and that is why products lose or gain value over time. If you have evidence to the contrary, lay it out. Craftsmanship, complexity of meaning and visual (or aural) construct are absolutes in the determination of artistic quality. Hogwash. Meaning shifts, the way we see things changes over time. Monet and Van Gogh were unappreciated only because the art consumer in the 19th century was unable to understand the quality they were offering. If "quality is not a relative entity," then, how is it that these people could not see it? If its such a "non-variable criteria" then there is no excuse for an entire generation to fail to recognize what is supposedly so obvious and objective.
"All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol, the place to which you are going." -Ecclesiastes 9:10 "Overpower, overcome." -The Cro-Mags

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Posted 04/17/09 - 06:49 AM:	#13
StaticAge wrote: No, we dont. That is why style changes over the years, that is why laws are adjusted and reinterpreted, and that is why products lose or gain value over time. If you have evidence to the contrary, lay it out. Hogwash. Meaning shifts, the way we see things changes over time. If "quality is not a relative entity," then, how is it that these people could not see it? If its such a "non-variable criteria" then there is no excuse for an entire generation to fail to recognize what is supposedly so obvious and objective. Are you saying an artwork can be good and not be well crafted? How about an example.

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Posted 04/18/09 - 11:43 AM:	#14
noscholar wrote: Are you saying an artwork can be good and not be well crafted? How about an example. Your avatar...
What is a box? Is the text in the box separate from the text outside the box? How is it linked? What is the border, the margin or frame? Is it inside or outside the box? And why do we talk of a box, say, rather than a square or oblong, a coffin or crypt? What are we trying to hide? Or what is hereby hiding? 'What is a box?' (The Truth in Painting: 229)

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Posted 04/24/09 - 05:39 AM:	#15
nomadx wrote: Your avatar... excellent! But is it really good art?

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Posted 04/27/09 - 06:48 AM:	#16
noscholar wrote: What, then, of quality? Quite right too. Tonight a lady who was previously larger appeared on a stage thinner than she was a few weeks ago and the scripted audience went nuts, the show is aptly named biggest loser, which I think probably applies to the millions who enjoy this unsubstantial staging of selective melodrama. Also, If art is expressive of the truth of the artists emotions we feel a connection because we are familiar with that feeling ourselves, but art is used to project imagery and genre which creates a hysteria on a completely superficial level. I think if art is used to generate hysteria and has obviously contrived substance, it pertains to a gullible society who refuses to acknowledge the truth as different to the deception portrayed, and indeed I recognize the deception in our society and can see the same reflected in our declining standards of art. Believe what you like? Edited by throng on 04/27/09 - 06:53 AM
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Posted 05/01/09 - 05:14 AM:	#17
throng wrote: noscholar wrote: What, then, of quality? Quite right too. Tonight a lady who was previously larger appeared on a stage thinner than she was a few weeks ago and the scripted audience went nuts, the show is aptly named biggest loser, which I think probably applies to the millions who enjoy this unsubstantial staging of selective melodrama. Also, If art is expressive of the truth of the artists emotions we feel a connection because we are familiar with that feeling ourselves, but art is used to project imagery and genre which creates a hysteria on a completely superficial level. I think if art is used to generate hysteria and has obviously contrived substance, it pertains to a gullible society who refuses to acknowledge the truth as different to the deception portrayed, and indeed I recognize the deception in our society and can see the same reflected in our declining standards of art. Believe what you like? I couldn't agree more.

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Posted 05/02/09 - 05:39 PM:	#18
noscholar wrote: Are you saying an artwork can be good and not be well crafted? How about an example. As pointed out: your avatar. I take it you would disagree, since you questioned whether it was good art even after someone else mentioned it? Why do you feel Dada is not art?
"All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol, the place to which you are going." -Ecclesiastes 9:10 "Overpower, overcome." -The Cro-Mags

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Posted 05/29/09 - 01:43 PM:	#19
StaticAge wrote: As pointed out: your avatar. I take it you would disagree, since you questioned whether it was good art even after someone else mentioned it? Why do you feel Dada is not art? In what sense is it good art?

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