Knowing "How" Socially objectionable.

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Knowing "How" Socially objectionable.
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Posted Sep 29, 2009 - 5:19 PM:
Subject: Knowing "How" Socially objectionable.
I have never really understood how knowing why something happened is considered an excuse.


So I thought it would be a great subject for other people to discuss.



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Posted Sep 29, 2009 - 6:05 PM:

It's just people's way of saying, they don't want to hear about it. It is much easier to dehumanize and label the individual as evil. When you talk about how it happens it brings it too close to home. It makes people uncomfortable when you put a human face into the equation. Not everyone is honest enough to say "I know how it happens, but I still want to see person x punished". You will much more likely hear "I don't care, he/she deserves to be punish regardless".

At least from personal experience that's all I have seen so far.
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Posted Sep 29, 2009 - 6:19 PM:

The bottle broke.

That is humanization? (or is it humanizisation????)
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Posted Oct 1, 2009 - 1:55 PM:

Let's expand this a little bit more.

Apparently there are two types of this social interaction.

123savethewhales claims that one of them is simply being vengeful.

What could the other one be?

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Posted Oct 1, 2009 - 2:21 PM:

In that case I would need to clear up what I said a bit. What I meant was that people are not always entirely honest with their use of language, and so some proxy language was necessary. The meaning isn't necessary the literal definition of the sentence being said. In a sense I reinterpreted "making excuses" as "making me uncomfortable" in this context.

In this particular case involving punishment, it is easier to dehumanize than to not dehumanize them not so much out of vengeance, but simply that it brings it too close to home; that someone we know and care about can just as likely act the same way if put in the same situation. It's not something people want to think about, so it's easier to stick to the previous decision and shut out the rest. Hence it usually follows with how much he/she "doesn't care".

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Posted Oct 1, 2009 - 2:28 PM:

Cadrache wrote:
I have never really understood how knowing why something happened is considered an excuse.



I don't think it is, necessarily. Some examples of what you mean might be useful.
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Posted Oct 1, 2009 - 4:22 PM:

How do you use the nonsense of the last week or two?

Let's go with an easy one. How does rain make you uncomfortable?
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Posted Oct 12, 2009 - 1:55 PM:

Is this an outgrowth of some previous conversation? Either I've been away from this place so long that my brain has gone stale or I'm missing a piece.

Are you asking the reason we stop our explanatory drive at the level of mechanical relation and don't ask how it is that this relation is maintained? In that case, I think you've switched “how” and “why” around.

Or, are you asking why people are sometimes willing forgive an action or an event if they are made aware the causal chain that formed this event?

Or, is it another question?

Anyway, the answer to the first question is epistemological limitation of the human condition. Tragic, but difficult to overcome until the next evolution.

The answer to the second question is the comfort of understanding. People mostly have negative emotions when they are dispowered. A person who is made informed of the reasons behind an event can take steps to avoid it in the future. He feels less like a victim. Also, there is a psychological aspect. A causal perspective is an objective perspective. To take it in, a person has to step away from his emotions and look the situation globally. When he does, the emotions no longer have same impact. Therefore, the vengeful drive brought about by those emotions is dissipated.

The answer to the last question is, of course, entirely up to you.
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Posted Oct 13, 2009 - 4:20 PM:

What question? Knowing "how" is also objectionable by way of humor.

The chain event is somewhat interesting. More often then not I never note forgiveness.


The interchange between how and why might be an interesting application as well.
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Posted Oct 13, 2009 - 11:30 PM:

Cadrache wrote:
I have never really understood how knowing why something happened is considered an excuse.

So I thought it would be a great subject for other people to discuss.


So that we adhered to it happening? Justification if that if we knew, we had the choice to stop it and we didn't. Isn't this called tacit acknowledgement, if you're quiet? You tacitly condone, thus it then is an excuse.
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