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The Nihilist Life
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Posted 06/25/09 - 10:03 PM: Subject: Just a thought	#1
I personally deny all moralistic standards and ethical values because they are based solely on personal perception and opinions derived from those perceptions. In return making morals and values nothing more than a set of opinions a certain group of people can agree upon and through my eyes opinions are not facts. I guess I could just be in denial, what do you think?
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Posted 06/26/09 - 06:53 AM:	#2
What the hell difference does it make to such as you, poor fellow? Why seek opinions when they are equally worthless? But, for what it may be worth, consider that if you profess to despise opinions and yet seek them, there may be something wrong with your claim.
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Posted 06/26/09 - 07:34 AM:	#3
The Nihilist Life wrote: I personally deny all moralistic standards and ethical values because they are based solely on personal perception and opinions derived from those perceptions. In return making morals and values nothing more than a set of opinions a certain group of people can agree upon and through my eyes opinions are not facts. I guess I could just be in denial, what do you think? What do you mean by "based solely on personal perception and opinion"? Do you assume that person is some kind of isolated entity with his/her own original opinions(language, customs), and perhaps without certain universal disposition coming from human species biological nature? I am an atheist myself and don't believe in transcendent morals, but the fact that morals are social phenomenon doesn't make them pointless or useless in my opinion.

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Posted 06/27/09 - 01:52 AM:	#4
The Nihilist Life wrote: I guess I could just be in denial, what do you think? so, seeking other people's opinions to help you figure it out? You know what modbot would say to you? -- Get real. Morals and ethics are the other half of the picture, the humanity that escapes precise measurement of science.

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Posted 06/27/09 - 04:22 AM:	#5
ciceronianus wrote: What the hell difference does it make to such as you, poor fellow? Why seek opinions when they are equally worthless? But, for what it may be worth, consider that if you profess to despise opinions and yet seek them, there may be something wrong with your claim. Aye, I imagine that the "Nihilist life" would be somewhat close to the "life" of a rock. laying there. . . stiff and indifferent. Most nihilists do have some values I would say, most probably hedonistic ones. "Everything is worthless", why even bother saying such a thing if you know saying it to be worthless in the first place!? The Nihilist Life wrote: I personally deny all moralistic standards and ethical values because they are based solely on personal perception and opinions derived from those perceptions. I don't deny them because I value and respect my own personal perceptions, opinions and perceptions. I don't need real morals; my own morals are much greater.

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Posted 07/02/09 - 07:42 PM:
Subject: alright

Thank you all for your responses, I only propose this thought as an outlet for myself. First I would like to say that I personally did not use the word “worthless”. I merely stated that morals and values are a set of opinions based on personal perceptions and furthermore, opinions are not facts. Sure, we might all have opinions and in turn equally have moralistic standards and core values. However, our perceptions change over time and we make new opinions that directly affect moralistic values. With this change I can only conclude that morals and values are subject to any variable, causing them to be unreliable. To me it is totally irrational to base any belief on something so volatile.

ant4ddd,

I do not make assumptions, and opinions are not facts.

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Posted 07/04/09 - 11:53 AM:	#7
Have you ever had a thought that wasn't based on "personal perception and opinions derived from those perceptions"?
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Posted 07/04/09 - 12:30 PM:	#8
We can have facts about opinions. "John Believes that stealing is wrong" for example can be a fact. In this sense opinions are true or false, namely they are true if the person making the opinion believes what the opinion is about, and false if the opposite. John's belief that stealing is wrong may be true or false. Similarly I could have an opinion about what the moon is made of. "Slap believes that the moon is made of cheese" for example. If I believe that the moon is made of cheese my opinion is correct. Opinions are statements of what you believe. The belief itself "the moon is made of cheese" may or may not be true.
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Posted 07/04/09 - 12:46 PM:	#9
The Nihilist Life wrote: ...and opinions are not facts. Interesting point. I take it by this that facts at least do not require opinions to be facts. By 'fact,' I guess we're saying something along the lines of 'things that are, regardless of whatever we hold of them'? But how do we know if something is a fact if we don't hold our own opinions of it? Are our opinions even important for knowing what is a fact, given that facts exist regardless of our opinions? How do we 'know' facts without using our opinions, without using our own thoughts on something? And just what is an opinion, anyway? And what are facts? Edited by NothingtoSay on 07/04/09 - 12:53 PM

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Posted 07/04/09 - 06:48 PM:	#10
I personally deny all facts because they are based solely on personal perception and opinions derived from those perceptions. In return making facts nothing more than a set of opinions a certain group of people can agree upon... Is there something wrong with this?
...most of our actions are the result of the past, or according to a future ideal. That's not action, that is just conformity. J Krishnamurti "Philosophy, to the Philistine, is an evolutionary process, watched over by some sort of brisk dynamic Providence, and culminating in the supreme insight of modern thought." John Cowper Powys

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