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Posted 10/31/09 - 06:32 AM:
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I think I focus too much on the "it" and not as much on the "raining." In what sense would we say something is raining? When parts of it fall down or when it causes something else to fall down? (When it does something else, maybe?) If the latter, then I'd say that whatever causes rain would be the "it." But if the former, then what would I be saying if I say "It is raining"?
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Posted 10/31/09 - 06:52 AM:
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It is rather much more interesting when you discover that "It is raining." is an entirely different statement then "It is raining.". (The period at the end of the sentence is required.)

"...There was a writer who asked why it was that when we find positive experiences we say that only the physical facts are real, but in negative experiences we believe that reality is subjective. He made an example of those who say that in birth only the pain is real, the joy a subjective point of view, but that in death it is the emotional loss that is the reality." - Tony Ballantyne, Recursion.
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Posted 10/31/09 - 01:29 PM:
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Fascinating that three words can elicit over sixty posts.


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Posted 10/31/09 - 01:52 PM:
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Nah, it's just you Banno.

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Posted 10/31/09 - 04:33 PM:
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Banno wrote:
Fascinating that three words can elicit over sixty posts.


It is raining posts.grin

We all try to help your posts reach the hundred mark Banno, we understand how important "it" is to you. Even though we have no idea what "it" really is.nod

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Posted 11/02/09 - 03:08 PM:
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Where is brainpharte and his perception that cannot exist since he is a mere brain in a vat?

Searle adds a very good starting bout for this. ( I also apply some of what quickly wrote in his brilliant post to this particulate.)

Try the statement:

It is an utterance.

"...There was a writer who asked why it was that when we find positive experiences we say that only the physical facts are real, but in negative experiences we believe that reality is subjective. He made an example of those who say that in birth only the pain is real, the joy a subjective point of view, but that in death it is the emotional loss that is the reality." - Tony Ballantyne, Recursion.
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Posted 11/06/09 - 10:06 PM:
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For the sake of the topic.
Banno wrote:

The problem is with the implicit or explicit theory that every word has a referent. It just ain't so. And this is another example from our everyday use of English that demonstrates the poverty of the referential theory of meaning.
How would you comment this?
Myself and I by John Perry wrote:

A child who
is unconcerned about and even unaware of the weather anywhere but where he is, can treat the issue of whether it is raining or not as a property of a time, rather than a relation between times and places. He says, \It is raining now" rather than \It is raining here now". (In this case the argument role is no always occupied by the same place, but always occupied by a place with a fixed relation to the agent, the place he is at.) The child we thought of above says \It is now 7 o'clock p.m.," treating being 7 o'clock p.m. as a property of the present time, rather than a relation between that time and a place or time zone. Before Einstein, we could treat simultaneity as a 2-ary relation between events, rather than as a 3-ary relation between a pair of events and an inertial frame, because in our daily life we never need to worry about alternative interial frames. In all of these cases, I say that the judgement concerns the xed, unarticulated object, even thought it is not explicilty about it. (See [5]). The judgement concerns the object because its truth-value of the depends on the object, even when it is not explicitly represented in thought. The child's is right when he thinks \It is 7 o'clock" because it is 7 o'clock Paci c Coast Time; he is right when he judges \It is raining now," if it is raining where he is.

All the goodies got cut out. Sorry! Should be good. Still lookes crappy. I guess pdf's don't like being copyed.

Edited by Willowz on 11/06/09 - 11:17 PM

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Posted 11/06/09 - 10:46 PM:
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Willowz wrote:
How would you comment this? ...

By saying "Hu?"

The judgement concerns the object because its truth-value of the depends on the object,


What was missing?


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Posted 11/06/09 - 11:12 PM:
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Looks good now.

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Posted 11/07/09 - 01:56 PM:
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I am lost. What is the object that the truth value of "it is seven o'clock" is mooted to be dependent on?


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Russel Morris: There's a meaning there, but the meaning there doesn't really mean a thing...
Ned: Such is life
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