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Is thought linguistic?

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Posted 08/16/04 - 06:22 AM:	#1
This is one of Wittgenstein's ideas (according to my beginner book that is). I'm very unsure about this ... especially since postmodernism seems to be based on it. So people who cannot speak or hear cannot think? I think not .... It seems a very narrow view of thought to me. It seems very similar that thought is logic.

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Posted 08/16/04 - 06:27 AM:	#2
my theory on this is that, thoughts are associated with words which we have learned. It's true that chimps can think, and yet they don't speak. but i would guess that thinking without words, would be of a more primitive type. but this is just my guess

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Posted 08/16/04 - 06:52 AM:	#3
co0l N=me wrote: my theory on this is that, thoughts are associated with words which we have learned. It's true that chimps can think, and yet they don't speak. but i would guess that thinking without words, would be of a more primitive type. but this is just my guess yes, i think about the same. i think that language is a tool of the mind, not the mind itself. trying to reduce thought to a typical "thing" aint very clever, since one can always think of a contradiction.

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Posted 08/16/04 - 10:33 AM:	#4
paul auster's 'the new york trilogy' book 1 - city of glass is an interesting read that you might enjoy. lessthanstellar.
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Posted 08/16/04 - 10:48 AM:	#5
sponge wrote: This is one of Wittgenstein's ideas (according to my beginner book that is). I'm very unsure about this ... especially since postmodernism seems to be based on it. So people who cannot speak or hear cannot think? I think not .... It seems a very narrow view of thought to me. It seems very similar that thought is logic. Perhaps you should look at the Mentalese thread.
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Posted 08/16/04 - 11:20 AM:	#6
sponge wrote: This is one of Wittgenstein's ideas (according to my beginner book that is). I'm very unsure about this ... especially since postmodernism seems to be based on it. So people who cannot speak or hear cannot think? I think not .... It seems a very narrow view of thought to me. It seems very similar that thought is logic. Wittgenstein, nor no one else I know of (except perhaps the founder of behaviorism, John Watson) has held that thought is the physical expression of language. Neither do I know anyone who has ever held that thought is logic. It is quite usual for people to think illogically.

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Posted 08/16/04 - 01:37 PM:	#7
Neither do I know anyone who has ever held that thought is logic. It is quite usual for people to think illogically. maybe it's logical for the person to think illogically ?

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Posted 08/17/04 - 12:22 AM:	#8
Wittgenstein, nor no one else I know of (except perhaps the founder of behaviorism, John Watson) has held that thought is the physical expression of language. No, that is not what Wittgenstein means. He means that thought is always in linguistic format, therefore "private" thought cannot exist since a language is a social phenomenon. It is an idea that postmodernism rests (according to my book that is, it might be wrong).

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Posted 08/17/04 - 02:01 AM:	#9
Do you have a question or are you just relaying the info from your intro book?
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Posted 08/17/04 - 02:32 AM:	#10
Do you have a question or are you just relaying the info from your intro book? There is always one aint there. Do you agree with it or not ?

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