Cheshire wrote:

Attempts at controlling information and social freedom; while ignoring the rights of others not to be subject to religious beliefs. Blue laws, abortion rights, dehumanizing drug users, prayer in school, preventing stem cell research, the bush administration, abstinence only education, denial of evolution, etc. Just generally being self-righteous and loud.

Cheshire wrote:

Generally speaking, the truth ought make sense. So, yes if god is indeed defying logic it would explain the lack of a sensible theist argument. However, it has been my experience that things that don't make sense are followed by an explanation as to why it is true and counter-intuitive. In this case we are left simply with the statement, god doesn't make sense, because our sense is insufficient. Well, without proof one way or another it is a blind assertion. So, the only statement we are left with is 'God makes no sense' and we do not know why. You can of course reserve judgement as to why god is nonsensical, but to state a conclusion that our logic is faulty without proof of god is an empty statement. Scientifically, it equates to a bad guess.

rigelrover wrote:

The concept of God (as beyond representation, but self-consistent) does not defy logic. It defies conclusive evidence. The concept is logically sound. The question is whether it is valid to believe in such a thing, despite the fact that conclusive evidence will probably not be found. There is nothing inconsistent in doing so. The concept makes sense (it is internally consistent), a belief in the concept founded on empirical knowledge may not.

rigelrover wrote:
The concept of God (as beyond representation, but self-consistent) does not defy logic ... The concept is logically sound.

The concept makes sense (it is internally consistent), a belief in the concept founded on empirical knowledge may not.

Cheshire wrote:
If there can be no evidence for God by definition, then what implies God?

Cheshire wrote:


What I imagined would be necessarily defying impossibility by definition alone. It would not be impossible by reason, but the imagined definitions alone can not create realities. Hence, imaginary. I doubt the theist will make this their new flagship proof in the near future. So, basically you've stated that God became a reality as soon as he was imagined to be beyond reason.