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Is Atheism a form of Faith?
I've wondered when reading posts if for some atheists their stance is a faith

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Is Atheism a form of Faith?

Wosret
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Posted 11/02/09 - 04:02 PM:	#451
He lived to be 175. I call that being a magic person. Though I'm not telling you what to believe, I'm merely saying that it is not unreasonableness, or spite that has secularists denying the authenticity of biblical events. Our reasons are methodological. I also don't think that I disagree with the thrust of your position on the subject anyway, I just consider it astonishingly trivial. We clearly conceptualize what it means to be a specific individual differently.
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Posted 11/02/09 - 09:56 PM:	#452
Wosret wrote: No, it's downright disproved. The Egyptian history tells a completely different tale, and they had records at the time exodus was supposedly taking place. The archeological evidence completely supports the Egyptian history. This is more than enough to be considered disproved in history. So, the Exodus is actually considered disproved. Well, that about settles matters for me. We're dealing with a believed myth. What do you call that?
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1 of 2 people found this post helpful Posted 11/02/09 - 10:20 PM:	#453
Cheshire wrote: We're dealing with a believed myth. What do you call that? Religion.
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0 of 1 people found this post helpful Posted 11/03/09 - 09:45 AM:	#454
Wosret wrote: Cheshire wrote: We're dealing with a believed myth. What do you call that? Religion. According to your statement there is no such thing as a religion that is not built on myths such as Buddhism. Either people that believe that Buddhism is a religion are incorrect or your statement is not entirely correct.
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Posted 11/03/09 - 10:35 AM:	#455
Although I do not think Buddhism is any exception -- you should still see that answering the question "what do you call a believed myth" with "religion" in no way implies that all religions are believed myths. It does however imply that all believed myths are religion.
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Posted 11/03/09 - 10:36 AM:	#456
Wosret wrote: I also don't think that I disagree with the thrust of your position on the subject anyway, I just consider it astonishingly trivial. We clearly conceptualize what it means to be a specific individual differently. Yeah, I said this a while ago. I just find the idea of whether any of these prophets existed interesting. I don't buy the idea that the Bible is a big con written by a group of like minded people all at one time. In reference to him living to 175, its important to remember that the methods and ability of people to keep time was far different and mroe primitive back then. Even today, there are people in remote parts of South America who say they are 150, just because no one can remember when they were born and its not written down. He might have even forgotten how old he is! So, everyone might have really believed that he was 175, including himself, and that wasn't even thought of as being magical.
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Posted 11/03/09 - 10:58 AM:	#457
sheps wrote: I don't buy the idea that the Bible is a big con written by a group of like minded people all at one time. When did I offer this as a reason to disregard it? Since you are talking about how you don't buy a reason I never offered, presumably you find all of the ones I actually did satisfactory. Good to know. In reference to him living to 175, its important to remember that the methods and ability of people to keep time was far different and mroe primitive back then. This is nonsense, people were pretty good at keeping track of time in the ancient world -- but I do find it strange that you would assume that not only was he a real person, but he even thought that he was 175, rather than the far more reasonable assumption that this was merely added between the 1600 years that followed, and his life's recording. It after all seems only reasonable to reduce the life spans of the biblical characters in turn, making it make more sense why the life spans were what they were at the time of its recording. Even today, there are people in remote parts of South America who say they are 150, just because no one can remember when they were born and its not written down. He might have even forgotten how old he is! So, everyone might have really believed that he was 175, including himself, and that wasn't even thought of as being magical. Doesn't matter if it is being thought of as magical or not it is. People can't live that long, especially back then. You can similarly ad hoc away any magic bit to an text, and claim similar things. I'm not interested in being told stories. If you have evidence that any given adjustment that you may make to historical documents is warranted, and would accuracy reflect what really happened rather than an exercise in imagination skillz, then I'll be happy to hear about it. If not, then I'm not. Edited by Wosret on 11/03/09 - 12:12 PM
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Posted 11/03/09 - 11:15 AM:	#458
Wosret wrote: Although I do not think Buddhism is any exception -- you should still see that answering the question "what do you call a believed myth" with "religion" in no way implies that all religions are believed myths. It does however imply that all believed myths are religion. All religions require belief in one form of another, but if that is so what is the point of claiming 'all believed myths are religion'? You can just as easily have said all beliefs in 'x' are religions, with 'x' being anything. Whether one believes in myths really doesn't change anything.
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Posted 11/03/09 - 11:15 AM:	#459
sheps wrote: I don't buy the idea that the Bible is a big con written by a group of like minded people all at one time. Your misrepresenting the claim in question in order to deny it's validity. You have selected to characterize our legitimate concerns as a slanderous attack. If you have to take to the extreme; the simple notion "mythology" in order to deny it, then it is possible that your willing to mislead yourself. There is absolutely no rational inference that would suggest myself or any other persons described the bible in the manner you present. What is your motivation?
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Posted 11/03/09 - 12:02 PM:	#460
Cheshire wrote: Your misrepresenting the claim in question in order to deny it's validity. You have selected to characterize our legitimate concerns as a slanderous attack. If you have to take to the extreme; the simple notion "mythology" in order to deny it, then it is possible that your willing to mislead yourself. There is absolutely no rational inference that would suggest myself or any other persons described the bible in the manner you present. What is your motivation? I didn't suggest that anyone here on this thread said that. Just an opinion I'd picked up from elsewhere. You guys take things too personally sometimes!
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