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Gramm
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Posted 05/25/07 - 12:52 AM: Subject: IPCC Challenge	#1
The IPCC claims that over 2000 top climate scientists have all contributed, agreed and put their names to various IPCC reports. The latest being 2007. To all those that claim Global Warming is caused by Man... HERE IS THE CHALLENGE. I want you to provide me with a complete list of all 2000 + scientists names. (or provide an appropriate link that lists them).. aka, all those they claim to have been involved with the IPCC's findings. This is an extremely serious challenge. Why....? Because the IPCC continually repeats this figure. Yet, try as I might, I find that their site is so deliberately obtuse, as to be virtually impossible for anyone to find any so called scientists names. http://www.ipcc.ch/ So if you fervently believe that the IPCC is telling the truth...then you should be able to do this with yours eyes shut. Come up with the names and their qualifications. I promise you...I will be researching them in great depth. Gramm Ps : I will take the absence of an appropriate list to be further proof that the IPCC is lying about how many scientists have actually supported or contributed to their findings. Edited by Gramm on 05/25/07 - 01:03 AM
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Posted 05/25/07 - 06:55 AM:	#2
I don't usually follow the global warming issue, but I did some research on IPCC and I found this interesting video which offered a refreshing perspective. Anyways, what about the list of people in the Annex of the 4th Annual Report? (I believe it's almost 2000 people...is that what you meant by obtuse?).
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Posted 05/25/07 - 01:51 PM:	#3
Well, that didn't take very long. So where is this claim of over 2000 actually from, anyway?
"Scientific truth is always paradox, if judged by everyday experience, which catches only the delusive nature of things." - KM, V, P and P "A fishnet is made up of a lot more holes than strings, but you can't therefore argue that the net doesn't exist. Just ask the fish." - Jeffrey Kluger "…Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people." -Ben Stein [This is included for the irony.]

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Posted 05/25/07 - 10:18 PM:	#4
Landlady wrote: I don't usually follow the global warming issue, but I did some research on IPCC and I found this interesting video which offered a refreshing perspective. Anyways, what about the list of people in the Annex of the 4th Annual Report? (I believe it's almost 2000 people...is that what you meant by obtuse?). Thanks for your effort Landlady.. Its a start, but it is only one part of the IPCC reporting system. The IPCC splits things into different working groups. What you have presented is for One working group. I will be researching the names listed. Kwalish Kid wrote: So where is this claim of over 2000 actually from, anyway? From the IPCC itself. http://www.net.org/warming/ipcc2.vtml
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Posted 05/25/07 - 10:40 PM:	#5
In the meantime... Anyone interested in how the IPCC come to their conclusions and whom they allow as date providers, should read the fine print... "Qualification or classification of Data Providers." The participants discussed whether there should be some qualifications for data providers, and whether data providers should be classified according to the level of assessment required. The conclusion was that there is no need for qualifications or classifications. http://www.ipcc-nggip.iges.or.jp/public/mtdocs/pd...
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Posted 05/25/07 - 10:46 PM:	#6
Hmm...you are serious. You probably already know this but Wikipedia (on IPCC) has links to all three working groups, as well as other reports (though IPCC's organization system is not very user-friendly).
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Posted 05/26/07 - 01:24 AM:	#7
Landlady wrote: Hmm...you are serious. Yes Landlady. I am serious for a number of reasons. Firstly, because I have taken a very keen interest in the whole climate environmental issue since I was a wee lad. (I actually received a public award for instigating certain environmental protection measures in the early 1970's) Secondly, because I have seen a litany of outrageous environmental disaster claims rise and fall like the proverbial tide. I have in consequence become more critical and skeptical of so much that is claimed by the IPCC. Thirdly, because as a long time activist concern REAL environmental issues related to degradation of environments, I have become deeply troubled by the incredible waste of UN public money. Money that could so easily have been used to cure real 3rd world problems. The whole gravy train thing (aka Al Gore etc) almost makes me physically sick. Last but not least...as an Australian, I have had it drilled into me, to always question authority...and to never accept on face value what the big nobs have to say about things. It makes most Australians Skeptics by nature. So as a keen amateur scientist, I research everything that is presented as so called 'scientific fact'. In this case, it also means emailing and asking the variously listed 'IPCC contributors" what their academic backgrounds and specialties are... I have already emailed Dr McKitrick...(who is still awaiting a public apology for your libel.. Kwalish Kid) Landlady wrote: You probably already know this but Wikipedia (on IPCC) has links to all three working groups, as well as other reports (though IPCC's organization system is not very user-friendly). And why is that ? In comparison, other UN agencies are far more open and accessible. Is it because the IPCC doesn't like transparency...? preferring anonymity and obfuscation to openness.? What.. are they wishing to hide...? That aside...have you considered their name...? That they use the term "Climate Change" in there title...should sound the alarm bells.. Why .. Because it reflects their fundamental and pre~formed position. Aka : From the very foundation of their agency, they had already concluded that Climate Change is real. And that was even before the first findings were tabled. So much for impartiality.. Gramm Edited by Gramm on 05/26/07 - 01:49 AM
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Posted 05/26/07 - 02:52 AM:	#8
McKitrick is simply way out of his field. His pay by an acknowledged conservative, pro-corporate group that takes money from oil companies and their lobbies is merely a fact. I suggest your time would be better spent investigating the moon landings.
"Scientific truth is always paradox, if judged by everyday experience, which catches only the delusive nature of things." - KM, V, P and P "A fishnet is made up of a lot more holes than strings, but you can't therefore argue that the net doesn't exist. Just ask the fish." - Jeffrey Kluger "…Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people." -Ben Stein [This is included for the irony.]

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Posted 05/26/07 - 03:04 AM:	#9
Kwalish Kid wrote: McKitrick is simply way out of his field. His pay by an acknowledged conservative, pro-corporate group that takes money from oil companies and their lobbies is merely a fact. KK... You have been shown to be fundamentally wrong in this case. Yet despite clear evidence and a supporting email by McKitrick himself to the contrary, you persist in spreading lies. For this alone, you should be reprimanded. Gramm Edited by Paul on 05/26/07 - 07:26 AM. Reason: removed flame
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Posted 05/26/07 - 03:09 AM:	#10
So he never worked for the Fraser Institute? That's funny, the CV on his web page still says that he does. It also says that he's an economist, not a climatologist. I believe his web page also says that he was never able to get his analysis accepted by a climatology journal as a scientific paper.
"Scientific truth is always paradox, if judged by everyday experience, which catches only the delusive nature of things." - KM, V, P and P "A fishnet is made up of a lot more holes than strings, but you can't therefore argue that the net doesn't exist. Just ask the fish." - Jeffrey Kluger "…Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people." -Ben Stein [This is included for the irony.]

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