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litkey
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Posted 09/23/09 - 05:41 AM:
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Two points.

The film begins with a long, dramatic and very memorable scene resulting in the murder of a Jewish family, so I disagree with the suggestion that there are no scenes of Nazi brutality.

As to the message of the film, to me it was a simple one: killing Nazis is a good thing in itself and Nazism is inherently unforgiveable. The message is hammered home pretty hard, so it baffles me that so many people seem to have missed it. I can only assume that we are perhaps too liberal-minded for such a message these days and we'd sooner see all war as unnacceptable rather than suggest that some people actually deserve a violent end.

I also disagree about the "revenge" angle. Shosanna does not focus on the man who killed her family, she tries to kill the Nazi high command. Killing Nazis is not about revenge, it is a good in itself. I think the film is clearest in this regard when dealing with the character of Stiglitz. There is no suggestion he has any personal history that drove him to kill Nazis, he just does it because he thinks it should be done, and "the basterds" admire this attitude.



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Yes, I too wanted to see some "honesty" in the film - and I think this is what I was craving, but I think we should just see it for what it is: Entertainment.

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mutemaler
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Posted 09/24/09 - 01:44 AM:
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... Yes, I too wanted to see some "honesty" in the film - and I think this is what I was craving, but I think we should just see it for what it is: Entertainment.

Where is the "honesty" which you are contrasting this with, what is it, what is the source of it or the truth you mentioned earlier? Serious question.

Edited by mutemaler on 09/24/09 - 01:50 AM
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Posted 09/24/09 - 07:33 AM:
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What I thought was interesting about the film was that the Jews were single-minded, revengeful people, even committing barbaric acts we do not find acceptable. The hatred as they shot the Germans while they were running from the fire was evident, as was the act of setting fire in itself.

Then Landau gets mutilated by Pitt's character, right after he very much saved his ass. The "Jew Hunter" was an unforgivable character according to some but interestingly it was most of the Germans that were not one-dimensional characters.

The Jews to me in the movie were cartoons but the Germans were people. Landau, a killer for sure, a man damn good at his "job" but I did not sense any real hatred for Jews from him. A pragmatic, a soldier, an educated man and immoral swindler as he sells out his country.

The German captain who refuses to talk and carries a cross for bravery gets his head smashed in with a baseball bat.

The German boy chasing Shoshanna, entirely uncomfortable with the movie about his exploits. He's likable and charming.

The Germans were more real than the Jews in this movie. Even in the first scene as the Jews get killed we don't see it happen and yet the violence in the rest of the movie was incredibly graphic. I can hardly imagine that that choice was not deliberate as concerned as Tarantino normally is with the style of directing. At the same time what we saw of Jews was vengeful and barbaric.

I can only guess as to what Tarantino's intentions were but I find the above something to think about.

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