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1 of 1 people found this post helpful Posted 03/22/07 - 07:34 AM: Subject: fascism	#1
I do not identify with any of the fascisms of the past, but the general philosophies that animated these movements I do agree with. Fascism comes naturally to me given my hatred for what humans typically do with their free will (see signature). I think the average human's life only reaches its potential when it is shaped by a greater man's influence. The challenge is to find a suitable ubermensch capable of leading the world to more noble values. Hitler and Stalin were good models, but both became obsessed with their own contracted objectives to their political downfall. Sadly, though, they might be the closest thing to a great leader the world will see. The world, led by the West, has become so decadent, so plebian, so determined to pander to the lowest common denominator (democracy) and so enthused by all that is trivial (capitalism) that it does not have the fertile soil to produce a Marcus Aurelius or Napoleon. I suspect the future will deliver a backlash to this devaluation of all values. People will slowly grow tired of Western banality and experiment with fascism yet again. However, most likely these experiments will fail again, because humans are too flawed to succeed at fascism. The aristocratic class itself will become complacent and corrupt as it indulges itself at the expense of collective Progress. In my opinion humans are destined to keep repeating the cycle of democracy/totalitarianism/failed totalitarianism/democracy. Now that I've got it in print, the future is free to remember me as a prophet. Just kidding. Edited by Postmodern Beatnik on 03/22/07 - 03:22 PM. Reason: punctuation, capitalization, AOL speak, general illiteracy.
For fifteen long centuries we had to toil and suffer owing to that "freedom": but now we have prevailed and our work is done, and well and strongly it is done. Thy people feel fully sure and satisfied of their freedom; and have themselves and of their own free will delivered that freedom unto our hands by placing it submissively at our feet. - F.D.

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Posted 03/22/07 - 07:45 AM:	#2
Typical...one does not like the free choices that other people make so they must therefore be forced to do what you think is noble. I don't care what fascists and their supporters regard in others as triviality, plebian, decadant or banality. I love freedom and I will never support those who simply seek, through their arrogance, to impose their values on others. Democracy may have it's downfalls (and it has those aplenty) but I'll take those anyday over fascism.

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Posted 03/22/07 - 07:54 AM:	#3
I probably would too if any fascism were to materialize for me to evaluate it. But OECD democracy and capitalism are just so unsatisfactory to me that I can't commit to this system intellectually because I know theoretically things can be somewhat better. I admit I'm an idealist. Edited by Postmodern Beatnik on 03/22/07 - 03:28 PM. Reason: spelling, apostrophes
For fifteen long centuries we had to toil and suffer owing to that "freedom": but now we have prevailed and our work is done, and well and strongly it is done. Thy people feel fully sure and satisfied of their freedom; and have themselves and of their own free will delivered that freedom unto our hands by placing it submissively at our feet. - F.D.

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Posted 03/22/07 - 08:35 AM:	#4
Freigeist wrote: I probably would too if any fascism were to materialize for me to evaluate it. But OECD democracy and capitalism are just so unsatisfactory to me that I cant comit to this system iintellectually because I know theoretically things can be somewhat better. I admit Im an idealist. In capitalism you are free to be as trivial or serious as you want to be. Why can't you just follow your own path and let others follow theirs? Why should they be forced to follow the "noble" path (even ignoring the obviously subjective nature of nobility)?

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Posted 03/22/07 - 08:50 AM: Subject: TellMeNow:	#5
Those are a lot of questions I don't think I can speak to them all, but let me respond to this: I'm not sure how these play out in particular societies exactly and I am not sure what you would consider as a society. Is the whole worlld one society? are we looking at just nations? Is it parts of nations that are linked in some way? I see it as a point of tension whether the world is becoming one society. Technology and OECD hegemony is making a global village out of us and places in the world that have not yet conformed to this regime, and who can at a distance see more clearly its defects, are rejecting it. Sadly, these resistances are awful in their alternatives. Mohammadism (whatever variant) is in my estimation abhorrent, Chinese-Socialism is tired and pedagogical, African civilizations are not civil. No current political movement in the world do I find inspiring or to be an adequate model for replication. Nationalisms are OK with me in theory but in practice tend to dumb culture down with mindless flag worshipping. Moreover, scientifically literate, intelligent people cannot entertain the idea that they are "master" races/specimens. And really, its all a bit passé. I think the same thing about socialism. I think humankind is basically so impressed by its rational senses that it can no longer be passionate about anything. This rational devaluation is unbeatable too because once you have devalued the world by rationalizing it you can no longer appreciate it emotionally or for its aesthetic merits again. While I think they are hopelessly misguided, I think the terrorists in Iraq are probably living a more noble life than the average computer programmer in L.A. Edited by Postmodern Beatnik on 03/22/07 - 03:27 PM. Reason: apostrophes, bad code, capitalization.
For fifteen long centuries we had to toil and suffer owing to that "freedom": but now we have prevailed and our work is done, and well and strongly it is done. Thy people feel fully sure and satisfied of their freedom; and have themselves and of their own free will delivered that freedom unto our hands by placing it submissively at our feet. - F.D.

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Posted 03/22/07 - 09:00 AM:	#6
Fried Egg wrote: In capitalism you are free to be as trivial or serious as you want to be. Why can't you just follow your own path and let others follow theirs? Why should they be forced to follow the "noble" path (even ignoring the obviously subjective nature of nobility)? I do this. I don't try to force anything on anyone because I don't see myself as a person worthy enough to lead anyone to something better. But if some neo-totalitarian force came along I might possibly support it because I would be less bored by it. Edited by Postmodern Beatnik on 03/22/07 - 03:27 PM. Reason: apostrophes
For fifteen long centuries we had to toil and suffer owing to that "freedom": but now we have prevailed and our work is done, and well and strongly it is done. Thy people feel fully sure and satisfied of their freedom; and have themselves and of their own free will delivered that freedom unto our hands by placing it submissively at our feet. - F.D.

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Posted 03/22/07 - 02:16 PM: Subject: Facism	#7
I agree with Freigeist... Facism ONLY works with a perfect leader---as does any other government. The problem is that corruption always is in the wake of power. If The US didn't fight Hitler and Hitler didn't go into Russia when he did, he would probably control the world! His imperfections caused him to lose. And for all those who refute this claim on the grounds of: "Facism is evil and we shouldn't control others..."--- It is the same situation with communism. If the leader was perfect, no problems would arise. Democracy is this way, Republics are this way, Theocracies are this way, the list goes on. That is the key behind all perfect governments- a perfect leader. On regards to world peace-- it may be a good idea, but it ain't gonna happen any time soon (excuse my english, it just sounds better that way)

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Posted 03/22/07 - 04:29 PM:	#8
Your 'Great Man' Napoleon was nothing more than a warmonger with an inferiority complex and I do not hesitate to mention, a small penis. He was responsible for more death and destruction in Europe than even his bloodthirsty predecessors of the Revolution. Of course, if you are a fascist then perhaps you would join the Spanish in saying 'Viva la muerte!' But this is exactly why sensible people will never become fascists. It is symptomatic of the fascist to hate what others do with their free will, and yet not critically examine their own actions.
One of the greatest weaknesses in human nature is to be dogmatic about issues of which we are ignorant. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio/Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

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Posted 03/22/07 - 10:08 PM:	#9
Freigeist, Just curious: what's your take on Venezuela? http://daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com/2006/09/is-f...
There is time to laugh and there is time not to laugh, and this is not one of them. - Insp. Clouseau. From the moment absurdity is recognized, it becomes a passion, the most harrowing of all. But whether or not one can live with one's passions, whether or not one can accept their law, which is to burn the heart they simultaneously exalt--that is the whole question. � Camus.

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Posted 03/22/07 - 11:51 PM:	#10
I agree with the blogger that fanatical leftism barely distinguishable from fascism. As im sure you picked up from my post, I dont distinguish extreme leftism from extreme rightism. In my mind they are two tentacles from the same octopus. I highly doubt these neomarxist parties will do anything productive with their politics, which is the problem. They are just messianic megalomaniacs, like Bin Laden.
For fifteen long centuries we had to toil and suffer owing to that "freedom": but now we have prevailed and our work is done, and well and strongly it is done. Thy people feel fully sure and satisfied of their freedom; and have themselves and of their own free will delivered that freedom unto our hands by placing it submissively at our feet. - F.D.

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