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vzzbux
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Posted 03/31/07 - 05:21 PM:
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Here's a radical idea, demolish government. Try it, it won't work, but try it anyway. We do need government for order.

For anyone who ever read V for Vendetta, we need a land of "Do as you please" capitalism, in its pure form, gives us "Take what you want."

Facism, however, is "Do as the almighty supreme overlord tells you." Facism requires a perfect, benevolent, omnipotent, and omnipresent person. I tell you that this person doesn't exist.

Facism sounds to me remarkably like religion. People worshiping and obeying a supreme being who then forces them to do certain things. We need leaders to inspire, not to control everything.

Our leaders should be given power based on there ability.

There's a better form of Facism for you.

Dogbert- "The skeptics think that a company aerobics program won't work. Let's see who's right."

Dilbert- "The skeptics were right"

Dogert- "We usually are"
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Posted 03/31/07 - 05:35 PM:
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Typical...one does not like the free choices that other people make so they must therefore be forced to do what you think is noble.

I don't care what fascists and their supporters regard in others as triviality, plebian, decadant or banality. I love freedom and I will never support those who simply seek, through their arrogance, to impose their values on others.

Democracy may have it's downfalls (and it has those aplenty) but I'll take those anyday over fascism.



So you might say that it is power that is the root problem, not who is in power?
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Posted 04/01/07 - 10:45 AM:
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You're quite the optimist. What’s the new paradigm?


Russia is an interesting country to watch. Have you heard the term 'vengeful phoenix'?.


Russia has learned the lesson that military force is anti-productive. If you have been paying attention lately you will have noticed that they have tacked with the winds od capitalist enterprise and are now building power through organizing new cartels in raw materials like natural gas, aluminum, and other raw materials.

If they are successful, then we can see the rise of more cartels which will put the producers, which Russia is, in the drivers seat for the trade of far more than just oil. For a country like Algeria or Ecuador, having Russia behind it in setting gas prices can be nothing but a winning situation.

This will be the new paradigm, producer countries getting together rather than being played off against each other. It worked for oil producers, there is no reason it will not work for other some of the other commodities that the first world needs but does not have enough of.

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Posted 04/04/07 - 12:18 AM:
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raised eyebrow Where does this "GREAT LEADER" come by the gift of HIS OWN free will and the wisdom of how to exercise it? I nashed through a set of teeth when hearing the right -- convinced as through they'd had an ephiphany -- that one of history's now generally acknowledged worst blunderers, George W Bush, was an Hegelean "World Historically Great Figure". Reagan was spiritually uplifting and, IMO, though I describe myself as a secular progressive, a successful president. But he himself was down to earth and never thought himself "great". "I wasn't great, I just thought great thoughts" and " There's no limit to what can be accomplished if no one cares who gets the credit". Reagan, though not of my ideological ilk, loved liberty, thought great thoughts, and was great, but not in your pathological sense.

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Posted 04/04/07 - 02:09 AM:
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I'd embrace a one world government, but definitely not under one man...each view point and political group needs equal representation. From greatest majority to smallest minority. We need to embrace all the world's problems as our own in order to solve them, not throw food or bibles at. Every voice, every idea, every view point (except of course for crazy or sick ones) needs to play a roll in the decision making. For global decisions effects us all, not just the people that agree with the man in charge.

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Posted 04/08/07 - 06:12 AM:
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Russia has learned the lesson that military force is anti-productive. If you have been paying attention lately you will have noticed that they have tacked with the winds od capitalist enterprise and are now building power through organizing new cartels in raw materials like natural gas, aluminum, and other raw materials.

If they are successful, then we can see the rise of more cartels which will put the producers, which Russia is, in the drivers seat for the trade of far more than just oil. For a country like Algeria or Ecuador, having Russia behind it in setting gas prices can be nothing but a winning situation.

This will be the new paradigm, producer countries getting together rather than being played off against each other. It worked for oil producers, there is no reason it will not work for other some of the other commodities that the first world needs but does not have enough of.





I see the use of a ‘paradigm’ for analyzing geopolitics as imprudent and useless. It leads to rigidity in thought and compels people to make facts fit a theory, when they might not. But If I had to pick a paradigm, id stick with the age old realpolitikal one that’s defined geopolitical since forever.


So world system theory?


Capitalism is having mixed results in Eastern Europe. As in China, it has created poles of affluence and poverty. In Poland socialism is not far away from being a democratic likelihood. And don’t forget capitalism is by itself cyclical. On a down cycle the hard eastern European authoritarian spirit could easily raise its head. Not to mention the fact that prostitution, drug use, HIV and other degenerative activities have increased through the roof in Russia since ’89. If there has been an economic improvement, has there been a social one?


For fifteen long centuries we had to toil and suffer owing to that "freedom": but now we have prevailed and our work is done, and well and strongly it is done. Thy people feel fully sure and satisfied of their freedom; and have themselves and of their own free will delivered that freedom unto our hands by placing it submissively at our feet. - F.D.
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Posted 04/08/07 - 06:19 AM:
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I'd embrace a one world government, but definitely not under one man...each view point and political group needs equal representation. From greatest majority to smallest minority. We need to embrace all the world's problems as our own in order to solve them, not throw food or bibles at. Every voice, every idea, every view point (except of course for crazy or sick ones) needs to play a roll in the decision making. For global decisions effects us all, not just the people that agree with the man in charge.




The world is too fractured religiously, ethnically, ideologically etc to accommodate a world government in any time soon. The best approach is for one country to pursue its cultural virtues to its fullest and remain isolationist, forgetting all this institutional hegemony (GATT, WTO, LON, UN etc) and just military cripple rival civilizations who design to threaten their flourishing.


For fifteen long centuries we had to toil and suffer owing to that "freedom": but now we have prevailed and our work is done, and well and strongly it is done. Thy people feel fully sure and satisfied of their freedom; and have themselves and of their own free will delivered that freedom unto our hands by placing it submissively at our feet. - F.D.
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Posted 04/11/07 - 10:10 PM:
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I do not identify with any of the fascisms of the past, but the general philosophies that animated these movements I do agree with. Fascism comes naturally to me given my hatred for what humans typically do with their free will (see signature). I think the average human's life only reaches its potential when it is shaped by a greater man's influence. The challenge is to find a suitable ubermensch capable of leading the world to more noble values. Hitler and Stalin were good models, but both became obsessed with their own contracted objectives to their political downfall. Sadly, though, they might be the closest thing to a great leader the world will see. The world, led by the West, has become so decadent, so plebian, so determined to pander to the lowest common denominator (democracy) and so enthused by all that is trivial (capitalism) that it does not have the fertile soil to produce a Marcus Aurelius or Napoleon. I suspect the future will deliver a backlash to this devaluation of all values. People will slowly grow tired of Western banality and experiment with fascism yet again. However, most likely these experiments will fail again, because humans are too flawed to succeed at fascism. The aristocratic class itself will become complacent and corrupt as it indulges itself at the expense of collective Progress. In my opinion humans are destined to keep repeating the cycle of democracy/totalitarianism/failed totalitarianism/democracy. Now that I've got it in print, the future is free to remember me as a prophet. Just kidding.



You got my vote!!!

I agree with your reasons for wanting to resort to fascism. People are as a whole, not intelligent. We can get by on an individual level, but throw us all together and we're dumb. We're too dumb to realize that democracy never existed and never will.

Our pretend democracy does more harm than good. We feel like we're in control, but we're not. And because votes do matter, anyone with a few bucks and a smile can sway influence. This isn't freedom - this is self-enslavement. We give ourselves up to false ideas and don't even realize it.

We need someone better, stronger, and wiser to rule. And we need to accept that he or she or it deserves to be in charge. We can only hope that this ruler will be a nice person so that we don't suffer too much.

In a more realistic fashion, I suggest we handle some aspects of our government business in a fascist manner, but in a way that benefits humanity. For instance, the government should have absolute power to cut down on greenhouse gases. Force factories and car manufacturers to implement pollution reducing whatevers to cut down. If the threaten with moving to China, we force them to stay. Take over the company if we have to. But they'll stay and they'll keep on making stuff - but in a more environmentally friendly way. I like to call this model of government "Progressive Tyranny".

"The people saw the opening and rushed for it euphorically." - Paul (and please stop taking your name off this quote, Paul)
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Posted 04/11/07 - 10:20 PM:
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The world is too fractured religiously, ethnically, ideologically etc to accommodate a world government in any time soon. The best approach is for one country to pursue its cultural virtues to its fullest and remain isolationist, forgetting all this institutional hegemony (GATT, WTO, LON, UN etc) and just military cripple rival civilizations who design to threaten their flourishing.




Yeah, if past experience has shown us anything. Tts shown us how well that works.

"I am Horo the Wise." - Horo the Wise.
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Posted 04/20/07 - 07:04 AM:
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He who sacrifices freedom for security gets, nor does he deserve neither. - Ben Franklin

Fascism sucks! Freedom for all!!

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