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Fascinating Insight from Marilyn Mach Savant

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Posted 07/13/09 - 12:38 PM: Subject: Fascinating inseight from Marilyn Mach Savant	#1
Marlyn Vos Savant has great inseight, as both highly intelligent IQ wise. She is being down to earth to her willingless to share insieght and honest opinion on society and intelligence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U09O9DXWdHc This is relevant more so now than when this tape was recorded...
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Posted 07/13/09 - 02:10 PM:	#2
I actually watched the whole video interview with Marilyn Mach Vos Savant. I was disappointed to listen to a person who claimed to be the most intelligent individual in the world. Her responses were amateurish and her verbal fluency was more like someone with a 135 IQ rather than 200. In fact, the interviewer appeared to be more intelligent than Marilyn. Maybe she has a 135 IQ with very superior memory and recall. Otherwise, she is the biggest underachiever in the world or a cleaver fake. By the way, most recognized intelligence scales such as the Wechsler Scales never measure IQ beyond four standard deviations, i.e., an IQ of 160. Older versions of the Stanford-Binet calculated ratio IQs (MA/CA) rather than the accepted deviation IQs. When the ratio IQs of children were calculated, they would sometimes get extremely high scores such as 170 to 200 when their deviation IQs were only 130 to 150. this is because the ratio IQs were based on the false assumption that a 16 year old is twice as smart as an 8 year old. When you examine the raw scores, the difference is more like 25%.
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Posted 07/18/09 - 05:52 PM:	#3
You are kidding yourself. Do you have low IQ, I have around 100. I watch this recording...and I like her attitude, she is a writer, not a public speaker. Just as we has many meaningless arugements on this forums-. She I feel she had a point.. "I detest argueing" --- Listen to what she said, not how she said it, and how IQ wise smart she is. I know a lot feel uncofortable listen to somebody smarter than themself. I am not one of them...if they make sense that is Personally I feel she has a lot of valid points, but I know everybody will not see certain educational flaws as me and her see them... Well. Just my opinion. her verbal fluency was more like someone with a 135 IQ rather than 200. So in your mind, how verbal fluency are somebody with an 200 IQ range. As she didn't meet what standard you had for the verbal fluencyness. Hater
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Posted 07/18/09 - 07:47 PM:	#4
I grew up going to "gifted schools" occasionally, (my family was in the military, so I had to be "rediscovered" every few years). I think I wasted a year of my high-school afternoons taking batteries of intelligence tests. Ultimately, I have a very low opinion of these tests, so an attempt to impress me with her scores doesn't really work on me. I could score 200 on a test one day, and utterly fail to understand the directions on bad days. I realized that the tests were geared to judge you on a nearly arbitrary scale against white, American, protestant, European standards for what a "smart person" should be like. How do you test an idiot savant, (perhaps someone who doesn't know how to read, but can reproduce any of Chopin's mazurkas exactly from a single hearing)? We have a very bigoted view of what it means to be "intelligent". People who score high in traditional tests are within a narrow range of good language skills and the "proper" cultural and social awareness. So I went to her Wikipedia entry and started looking for other signs that she might be more intelligent than most people. She got married when she was 16, and it was only the first of three marriages? She went to Washington University, but dropped out? She only has an honorary doctorate -- from The New Jersey College? She published a book about Fermat's Theorem, but had to retract it due to criticism from reviewers? If she is intelligent, she has pretty much wasted that intelligence for a newspaper column, (I think I still prefer "Cecil Adams" from the Straight Dope -- who also claims to be the smartest person, as does Rush Limbaugh ). What she said about the education system seems to be what I was saying -- when I was still in grade school. I kept criticizing my history teachers for biased historical reviews and avoiding discussions about consequences or alternatives. She also touches on issues of spelling reform, (which I was active in for a while), but found to be trivially productive. I'll just have to assume that she is "holding back" so she can communicate with her audience and haven't seen what she might be capable of yet, (she's already 64 years old, so she better not hold back much longer).
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Posted 07/24/09 - 06:32 PM:	#5
I really enjoyed watching this. Thank you. In someways, the interviewer comes off as more of the philosopher rambling on in some convulted question about human consciousness blah blah blah, and she answers him rather succinctly. It's entertaining to me. Also, I think you can definitely be taught Shakespeare in High School as I loved it when I was 16, yet she doesn't get it til 30. It just sounds like she was motivated in other things as she states is a factor of motivation for geniuses and/or the intellectual.
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Posted 07/26/09 - 04:05 AM:	#6
Well, I have no doubt that she is intelligent, I mean there are tests that measure this. They go by verbal analogies, spatial insight, number sequences etc. But great intelligence does not mean great insight. It means you are good at solving intellectual puzzles so you probably will also do well solving questions at school, learning languages, solving equations etc. This still, though, is no substitute for experience and devotion of time in a subject. I found her insights rather trivial, nothing to write home about, but than, she is not to be blamed. People ask her questions because of her intelligence score, but does she have the necessary experience in the field, learning, knowledge? So she is put on the spot like some machine that gives out right answers, but it doesn't work like that. I believe she creates hearts or works in the medical field. She will be good there, but is she a good social scientist? I think not, she is smart. That is great, good for her and I wish I had those capacities, but it doesn't make you wise or even knowledgeable on many subjects. I'd take the word of a specialist in the education over her word any day. He or she studied the field. regards Tobi Edited by Caldwell on 07/26/09 - 04:14 AM
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Posted 08/29/09 - 04:46 PM:	#7
Tobias wrote: So she is put on the spot like some machine that gives out right answers, but it doesn't work like that. I believe she creates hearts or works in the medical field. She will be good there, but is she a good social scientist? I think not, she is smart. That is great, good for her and I wish I had those capacities, but it doesn't make you wise or even knowledgeable on many subjects. I'd take the word of a specialist in the education over her word any day. He or she studied the field. Tobias wrote: So she is put on the spot like some machine that gives out right answers, but it doesn't work like that. What answers are you then searching for, wrong, poor or something inbetween answers. What exactly do you mean by "doesn't work like that", like some "machine"? Tobias wrote: She will be good there, but is she a good social scientist? Why will she be good there? Tobias wrote: but is she a good social scientist? I think not Why is she a bad social scientist? Tobias wrote: she is smart Apparently. Tobias wrote: but it doesn't make you wise or even knowledgeable on many subjects Can't we both be smart, knowledgable and wise at the same time, on many subjects, if we has the correct resources, how could this defeat us and work against us. Tobias wrote: I'd take the word of a specialist in the education over her word any day Now, this is supposed to be wise and knowledgeable. Maybe this was your point all along. I prefer to get an appointment at my local doctors office, than to put through a 1-hour consulting session with Marlyn Vos Savant through wired telephone lines. My point here, marlyn Vos Savant is not "some machine" only human. Can we really expect her to be all things to all people. You certainly has a bias against her Tobias. So what did you expect to see in her/from her?
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Posted 08/30/09 - 08:39 AM:	#8
Mmm... I'm from the non-gifted schools that handled the other type of gifted students. Well.. not quite. Troublemakers would probably be more apt. Anyways... I might agree with Tobias. Without even watching the video. She retracted a claim on mere criticism. Definately doesn't have enough ego to be a genius. One of the largest factors I have noted about genius's is that they don't have to follow what society dictates. Whether or not she is intelligent? She is human.
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Posted 08/31/09 - 06:20 AM:	#9
How can you make up judgements without even watching from the video I posted. I expect not to see you to become a genius any time by just to follow secondhand information and other peoples opinions. (Tobias) Well maybe that's not on your "to do" so consider to watch her speak. " As she mentions we has different intrests, goals and desires. Maybe that is too "small" of a view for some people. "Ego" without knowledge, is pointless.
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Posted 08/31/09 - 10:46 AM:	#10
There is this function called 'insight'. Essentially what other people write can derive the common aspect of looking at the person themself. Is it accurate to develop a sheet that claims that defines her personality? Definately not. Can it derive the intelligence factor? Possibly. IQ defines what society deems a sufficient knowledge base. On the modern IQ tests, even an IQ of 120 deems that she is more intelligent then 80% of the entire population. But then again Fermat's theorum isn't on your normal IQ test. There are all kinds of public knowledge that is not on an IQ test. If she is a master in one of those areas - but cannot name all the states in the US - then her IQ would look lower then what it actually is. Hell - there are people from the 1950's whose iq was in the 80 range. One in particular is considered dumb merely because society couldn't understand anything he wrote at the time. Even now - we have only matched 1 piece of his works to Quantum Mechanics. The key about 'ego' is the relevant personality traits. Namely the aspect that creates a "super version" of believing in your own existence. It just looks like conceit most of the time. I differ somewhat with other people in that I don't see them as being genetic code and then having this material create personality. I prefer to claim that the actual being of any person is the non-physical essence. Ideas, point of views is what makes a person who they are. If I have an idea that affects physical reality I cannot claim this is of my genetic code. I can still however claim 'this is who I am'. Cadrache does not exist physically. The physical being which houses 'cadrache' at best is somebody who nobody can completely predict. The man itself would not go out and speak in most cases. Let alone attempt to write what is in his mind. The man himself is extremely analytical. Desa puts him at around 62 of a maximum 40 or 50. The same Goes for Marilyn when it comes to claiming existence. The only two possibilities I see is that she either did make a mistake in her idea or that she does not have the strength to state "World. You are wrong. I am right."
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