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Emotional Value

Cadrache
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Posted 03/24/08 - 08:06 PM: Subject: Emotional Value	#1
If it's in the wrong area, feel free to change the location. Hi all!! Just so people know which angle I came from to end up at this single statement. Well anyways, I have been multi-tasking in two or three areas for thinking. The first is Economics. The attempts to rule the world are still dis-illusioned through green tints. I've been dealing a bit with the traditional definition to Debt, as well as the less formal questions of 'How much true value does a single dollar have?"(in the toy = 1$, fun = 5$, so toy is a good purchase sense). As well, " Does the actual currency value of money equate itself to being an equivilant true value? ie. Does 1$ bill = 1$ in value? Now, this is all happening during my normal day, so the rest of the usual stuff happens; Sleep, wake, go to work, get free daily newspaper. Coffee/tea/caffeine; work and read the paper during long print jobs. Now the whole economics questions are still rolling around in my head, when I read a neat-o blurb on psychology concerning how emotions impact a specific something-or-other. Really what the article was about was pathetic; something I read years ago, discarded as mostly- useless -which I still do. So I forget exactly what the article was about, and that doesn't matter too much. It's the mixing of Economics and thinking about 'emotions' that I found really semi-interesting. Fairly often there being discussions on how valueable emotions are, I came to this following idea: If emotions are being perceived as a non-physical representation, and more of an abstract value, then emotion is equivalent to debt.

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Posted 03/24/08 - 10:23 PM:	#2
Have you tried considering the topic from the positivism perspective of emotivism or the existentialist perspective regarding value judgments? Nope? Not interested in that perspective? hummm.....

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Posted 03/24/08 - 10:50 PM:	#3
Why debt? If your only criteria is non-physical existence, it would be just as valid to say that emotion is equivalent to credit or interest. In fact, you could equate it with any concept that's not a physical thing that way. It seems like an awfully thin criteria. Or am I missing something?
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Posted 03/25/08 - 12:47 AM:	#4
Well debt is the absence of value, and emotions are NOT valueless. So I don't see much of a connection there. Also, emotions are a positive expression, whereas the lack of emotion would be more of a "debt-like" state. If you wanted to connect the two more then you might find it better to say that the repression of emotion creates a situation where the individual owes something: that something being expression. The more the individual represses his emotions the more "in debt" he becomes, or the more he "owes." The paying off of this debt is the expression of his emotions, or the creation of value; much like we may create a product to pay off our debt. This creation of value through the expression of emotions eliminates the emptiness, or debt, that he originally resided in. The more and more people repress emotions, or the more and more they put themselves in debt, the more expression it takes to pay off that debt. Hence why people who keep things inside long enough will explode with a more dramatic expression to compensate for the debt and pay it off: i.e., it takes more money to pay off a larger debt.
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Posted 03/25/08 - 02:58 AM:	#5
The creditor would certainly find a debt valuable, on the other hand it would have negative value for the debtor. I'm not sure how this corresponds to emotion though. Perhaps we are in debt to our body that makes its demands known through emotions.
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Posted 03/25/08 - 07:28 AM:	#6
Forgive me if this is obvious, but you seem to be confusing use value with exchange value. An object's value as a commodity of exchange is not necessarilly equivalent to the use value it has for a particular person. In fact, its the fact that an object has a different use value for different people that makes it possible for economic exchange to work. One can only rationally sell an object when its use value is exceded by the exchange value. To try and place a value on the use value of an object is to enter into a network of relations where such things really cannot apply. I think that to equate emotions to debt or interest is to make them into another commodity with an exchange value. Which sort of misses the point. Please forgive me if I'm being unclear, first post here. I've grown unused to having these kind of discussions.

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Posted 03/25/08 - 07:24 PM:	#7
Positivism is usually 'the norm' when one attempts to equate emotional value in crisp dollar bills. Part of the reason for the possible reversal. As well, alot of the 'look at your life' scenarios that do include 'negative value' only apprise negative emotions as being of negative value. Not unclear at all apachama. A good point. Now, the next step, what happens when you use a 3rd party item, like the idea of the use of money, to state that a use value is equivalent to an object value because the relationship of useV <-> money is the same value (say like value 10, and the like) as objectV <-> money. In some ways, you could claim that that ming vase (object value) is less valueable then being able to use contact cement to 'fix it'. (A <-> B, B <-> C, therefore C <-> A) I'd disagree that the individual who owns the debt would find it valueless. If you owe 100$, then you have shown you have a value towards whatever reason you owe the money.

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Posted 03/26/08 - 11:09 AM:	#8
I think you've got it the wrong way round. Money is already an emotion, in the sense that it has no value that is not 'given' to it, and the value of a dollar is measured on the emotional scale of 'confidence'. If confidence is very high, a dollar is worth about a dollar, but lacking confidence, folks prefer gold or some other substance to the trade of pure emotion and imagination that is paper money. No one at the moment trusts the money markets, because they have been severely exploited corrupted and compromised. The debts are as worthless as the credits because they are both measured by trust, which has been definitively 'lost.'
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Posted 05/15/08 - 11:09 PM:	#9
Cadrache wrote: If emotions are being perceived as a non-physical representation, and more of an abstract value, then emotion is equivalent to debt. I don't really understand the question. Are emotions perceived, or are they reactions to perceptions? Do we perceive non-physical representations, or are non-physical representations activated, the activation instantiating the perception? Does abstract value necessarilly equate to debt? What is value anyway? Like you said about the magazine article that inspired this thread, "it doesn't really matter too much." How interesting is "really semi-interesting"? It strikes me as ambivalent interest. Does that incite approach or avoidance? Should we get closer to the subject to see it more clearly, or should we move away from the subject lest we be engulfed by the profundity? I am perplexed, to say the least. Edited by hyena in petticoat on 05/16/08 - 12:16 AM. Reason: Capitalization.
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