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Posted 02/06/08 - 05:38 PM:	#21
"Scientifically, nothingness is merely an intellectual property" Idealists pose the question removed from its real relations and as an abstraction. In other words it is examined soley as an abstraction out of thought and nothingness then becomes something or meaningless! "Nothingness is an intellectual property" ergo so it is not nothing!

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Posted 02/07/08 - 10:17 AM:	#22
There are, I believe, many kinds of nothingness. There's the kind of nothingness in an empty coffee cup, the kind of nothingness one feels and the kind of nothingness in outer space. I'm assuming this is mainly about the last type of nothingness. Even between galaxies, where there are no atoms and no matter, there usually is electromagnetic radiation. Even in those places without it, space exists. Thus, I'd be inclined to say nothingness is usually a relative measure, not unlike "cold" or "warm".
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Posted 02/28/08 - 10:47 AM:	#23
Nothingness is a state of existence that lies between time & space, in the very here & now. It is in the spaces between the quarks & gluons that make up every thing. It is the place where yogi's will claim to enter during transcendental meditation. It is were everything came from and everything will return to. It is were physical things are transcended and where only thought & possibility remain forever, because nothing lasts forever.
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Posted 02/28/08 - 09:55 PM:	#24
Untruths wrote: There are, I believe, many kinds of nothingness. There's the kind of nothingness in an empty coffee cup, the kind of nothingness one feels and the kind of nothingness in outer space. I'm assuming this is mainly about the last type of nothingness. Even between galaxies, where there are no atoms and no matter, there usually is electromagnetic radiation. Even in those places without it, space exists. Thus, I'd be inclined to say nothingness is usually a relative measure, not unlike "cold" or "warm". Just to clarify: even in deep-space, matter does exist, but at a density of less than one atom per cubic centimetre. Nothingness is not a relative measure. Stating that there is 'nothing' is in a certain space is already contradictory; space-time itself constitutes 'something'. The idea of non-existance can only be applied to an object which can be defined as finite. That is to say, we can state that an apple does not exist in a certain space, or that a certain space contains no matter within it, but we cannot say that everything does not exist within a certain space. Just like how it is mathematically impossible to multiply infinity by zero. Blind Philosopher wrote: Nothingness is a state of existence that lies between time & space, in the very here & now. It is in the spaces between the quarks & gluons that make up every thing. It is the place where yogi's will claim to enter during transcendental meditation. It is were everything came from and everything will return to. It is were physical things are transcended and where only thought & possibility remain forever, because nothing lasts forever. As stated before, "time & space", "the very here & now", is something in itself. With all due respect to the yogi's, this is the philosophy of science section of this forum; their claims are not based on any form of science.
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Posted 02/29/08 - 07:44 AM:	#25
eternally_missed wrote: Ok so I've been thinking about the subject, if nothing exists or not. Basically, lets just say that a scientist has come to the conclusion that he detected nothing. He obviously detected something, since he had a sense that SOMETHING was there. I personally think nothing is really something. And the reason why we say its "nothing" is because on our plane of existence, meaning life, it appears to be nothing because it's a space occupied by a different type of existence that we are incapable of knowing anyway. I really don't know. Its an interesting question, or philosophical question if I might. But, I think the true problem swings between "nothing" and Nothing, because they aren't the same. One is a word, and the other is Nothing. But what about the deep psychological rift between Nothing and nothing - the School of though is that 'N'othing is something, while nothing (with the lower case) is actually nothing, or perhaps slightly Ironical 'Nothing" many questions need to be posed on this 'Nothing' debate, as Nothing is something we all need to consider. I mean what about the social crisis when one's mummy walks into the kitchen and says "there is Nothing for Dinner chicken." Clearly she means Something, and 'Nothing' plays the central aspect. People will claw at their beards in consternation "What? NOTHING????"" Yes my friend, there is much to this. Have faith.
That's what tyrants get! - John Wilkes Booth Something cannot come from nothing. Nothing can only come from nothing.

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Posted 03/01/08 - 08:23 AM:	#26
I believe 'Nothing' exists somewhere in the universe, or more probably outside our universe. I believe we could find it easily if we look hard enough: we have to find something we cannot measure or fathom and then we may find it. But we would never be able to analyse it or measure it as it is nothing and so that is obviously impossible.
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Posted 03/06/08 - 03:58 AM: Subject: Eternal Existence?	#27
Hi all, This is an interesting question and one I have wrestled for some time. I have come to a conclusion of sorts, based on assumptions. The paradox is contained within the question. "Can Nothing EXIST" My first assumption is that 'Existence' is the opposite of 'Nothing', therefore it cannot exist. I try (for the sake of the thought experiment) to imagine 'Nothing' & 'Existence' as a physical properties or fabric. We can create vacuums but within the vacuum which may appear to contain 'Nothing', may actually contain nothing except 'Existence', which is still something. Second assumption is that "Absolute Nothing" is the absence of "Absolutely Everything" If this is true then we could not create a vacuum around it, in fact there would be 'Absolutely Nothing' including Existence so we would not be here to create anything. To illustrate further, lets ignore the above paradox and presume that we can create a vacuum that does not even contain 'Existence', what would we find: I predict that if you were to place an object into the vacuum, the object would vanish because there is nothing to support it's existence. Inside the vacuum would appear Black to Human Eyes because there would be no light, though 'Nothing' obviously has no color of it's own. I also predict that 'Nothing' if it could exist (paradox ignored) would be the most powerful thing that would be the end of everything and anything. In other words what property could you use to contain 'Nothing' if 'Nothing' cannot support Existence? This is just about as far as my tired Brain will go. Does this sound logical to anyone? Kind regards

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Posted 03/06/08 - 10:32 AM:	#28
Sinister Utopia wrote: Hi all, In other words what property could you use to contain 'Nothing' if 'Nothing' cannot support Existence? The property of matter, known as consciousness... ?

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Posted 03/06/08 - 06:33 PM: Subject: Hi Nick666	#29
But how does consciousness contain 'Nothing' consciousness (as far as we know) requires an engine ie; a Brain. Brains require existence. what would Matter stick to? the more I think about it If 'Nothing' was released from the (special)vacuum, the entire Universe would vanish faster than the speed of light. You might say that if I am correct 'nothing is the most powerful theoretical force that does not exist'

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Posted 03/06/08 - 10:21 PM:	#30
Think about what you just said. "Consciusness contains a brain" .

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