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Posted 09/15/03 - 02:10 AM:	#11
Strangely enough the law seems to have a biological basis that was only discovered after the fact. The judgement centers of the brain are not fully developed in teenagers. All those raging hormones and physical changes that take place in teens also make them particularly vulnerable to certain physical problems as well. For reasons unbeknownst to modern science, for example, it seems their dna is more sensitive to damage from smoking or engauging in sex early.

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Posted 09/15/03 - 02:10 AM:	#12
Or a generous 'severance package' afforded by the courts of law on divorce.

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Posted 09/15/03 - 04:45 AM:	#13
Paul wrote: Your case of the professor and the boy then is clearly prostitution. Is prostitution exploitation? Well, that's an entirely different subject, but the legal system considers it to be. Or at least, the legal system considers it beneficial to society as a whole to eliminate it for whatever reason. The legal systems of most civilised countries have legalised prostitution or at least turned a blind eye to the law. This applies in most European countries, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, China, even Singapore. Yes, Singapore, is these days more enlightened than the United States! I have heard that in the U.S. they even have officers posing as prostitutes in order to catch the johns. Good God, don't they have any shame at all!

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Posted 09/15/03 - 05:23 AM:	#14
D, thanks for the back-up. Yes, that is what I meant. I agree with Methods in that if you have to legislate something then you will have to select an age at which the law applies - which is how we got where we are. But as we have seen, you can't legislate behavior with people, neither can you legislate morality or judgement or logic. People are going to do what they are going to do. Now lets look at the 12 year old and the 30 year old. I would agree that on average a 30 year old will have more maturity than a 12 year old, but it is based on experiences vs. age (with the understanding that obviously a 30 year old will have more opportunity) However if a person has had more parenting OR a string of experiences then I would think it totally reasonable that a person could make their own choices. In many tribes as well as most european countries and others - it was at adolescence that adulthood was guaged. It was perfectly reasonable for a 14 year old to get married and drink and fight in a war. Now was that 14 year old AS mature as a 30 year old - I would say probably not, but were they mature enough to decide how to act - I would say they were. I think it is all the sheltering and taboo and dearth of life experience - especially in the U.S. that leaves children unprepared and perhaps unqualified to make life decisions for themselves. If you don't let your kids get dirty, they aren't going to know how to stay clean.

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Posted 09/15/03 - 03:38 PM:	#15
great_brain wrote: But as we have seen, you can't legislate behavior with people, neither can you legislate morality or judgement or logic. People are going to do what they are going to do. Why do you say that? We legislate behavior and morality in millions of our laws and rules and regulations. Where have you been? Do you live in a cave? (Or in the protection and security of your mommies home?) great_brain wrote: Now was that 14 year old AS mature as a 30 year old - I would say probably not, but were they mature enough to decide how to act - I would say they were. How 'bout at 13.95? ...13.75? ...13.50? great_brain wrote: I think it is all the sheltering and taboo and dearth of life experience - especially in the U.S. that leaves children unprepared and perhaps unqualified to make life decisions for themselves. If you don't let your kids get dirty, they aren't going to know how to stay clean. Yeah! I agree, by god! Kick the little bastards out on the fuckin' streets and let 'em fend for themselves. That'll teach the little bastards about drinkin' and funkin' ....they'll have to work to make enough money to buy the booze. Mommy and Daddy won't be there with the allowances. And as to fuckin' ...let do it whenever they want ...if they get AIDS and die ....fuck 'em, they deserve it for their actions. Yep, that's the way we should do it! Baron Max

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Posted 09/16/03 - 05:54 AM:	#16
Baron Max wrote: Why do you say that? We legislate behavior and morality in millions of our laws and rules and regulations. Where have you been? Do you live in a cave? (Or in the protection and security of your mommies home?) I meant you can't legislate it as in it doesn't work. How 'bout at 13.95? ...13.75? ...13.50? Sure, it's all relative Yeah! I agree, by god! Kick the little bastards out on the fuckin' streets and let 'em fend for themselves. That'll teach the little bastards about drinkin' and funkin' ....they'll have to work to make enough money to buy the booze. Mommy and Daddy won't be there with the allowances. And as to fuckin' ...let do it whenever they want ...if they get AIDS and die ....fuck 'em, they deserve it for their actions. Yep, that's the way we should do it! Baron Max See folks, this is the same guy who jumped on everyone else for assuming the most extreme consequences as soon as everyone got guns, but it didn't stop him from doing it himself on this one.

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Posted 09/16/03 - 03:20 PM:	#17
great_brain wrote: See folks, this is the same guy who jumped on everyone else for assuming the most extreme consequences as soon as everyone got guns, but it didn't stop him from doing it himself on this one. ...LOL! Hey, I answer the questions or point as they come ...however I happen to feel at the moment! What? You're expecting consistency in my "philosophical thinking"? ...ROFLMAO! Surely you didn't think that, did you?????? If so, how did you get the name "Great Brain"?? ...LOL! great_brain wrote: I meant you can't legislate it as in it doesn't work. Yes, you can. If you have enough cops and big enough guns! It has nothing to do with whether it "works" ...it's only determined by the power of the enforcement. Baron Max

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Posted 09/16/03 - 08:44 PM:	#18
Baron Max wrote: If so, how did you get the name "Great Brain"?? ...LOL! I gave it to myself, of course. Yes, you can. If you have enough cops and big enough guns! It has nothing to do with whether it "works" ...it's only determined by the power of the enforcement. Baron Max Good point.

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Posted 12/07/06 - 07:04 AM:	#19
Girl, 13, charged as sex offender and victim Salt Lake City - Utah Supreme Court justices acknowledged Tuesday that they were struggling to wrap their minds around the concept that a 13-year-old girl could be both an offender and a victim for the same act - in this case, having consensual sex with her 12-year-old boyfriend. The Ogden, Utah, girl was put in this odd position because she was found guilty of violating a state law that prohibits sex with someone under age 14. She also was the victim in the case against her boyfriend, who was found guilty of the same violation by engaging in sexual activity with her. ... The girl appealed the petition, saying her constitutional right to be treated equally under the law had been violated. Her motion noted that for juveniles who are 16 and 17, having sex with others in their own age group does not qualify as a crime. Juveniles who are 14 or 15 and have sex with peers can be charged with unlawful conduct with a minor, but the law provides for mitigation when the age difference is less than four years, making the offense a misdemeanor. For adolescents under 14, though, there are no exceptions or mitigation and they are never considered capable of consenting to sex. (forgive me for cross-posting this, but there are 3 "age of consent" threads for which this is pertinent)
-- "The message is always to examine and see for yourself. When you see for yourself what is true -- and that's really the only way that you can genuinely know anything -- then embrace it. Until then, just suspend judgment and criticism." -- Steve Hagen

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0 of 1 people found this post helpful Posted 12/11/06 - 01:28 PM:	#20
Rebel against the Law and your Fathers! They do not own your bodies, your sexuality!
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