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Complexity of the universe as a whole

Cadrache
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Posted 05/04/09 - 01:42 PM:	#11
Truth be told, Entropy could create complexity as well. Complexity may arrive from change. Another point is that the 'big crunch' may not have happened; but rather that the universe was/is some sort of crystalline structure. If Entropy/other forces interact with each other; at some point, each and every particle could have a net value of internal forces equaling zero. Or rather, a Crystal structure with specific particles at specific distances from each other. If that happened, and a 'crack' formed from some other thing hitting the universe...
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Posted 05/06/09 - 07:51 PM:	#12
So, without playing too much into the the idea of my lunacy ... if that is possible, I had a dream where I saw 3d6f. Crazy yeah, I know, but I'm not. It was after a night of babbling on in metaphysics. I only interrupted it in one way, as crazy people often do. 3 dimensions 6 functions, and the added thought when I woke up maybe an opposite for each? Hey, before you run wild with me, it wasn't from "god" or anything like that ... (laughs) this dream. I was writing on a chalk board, my password to get online and check my bank account ... if that makes any sense either The numbers/letters just really stood out to me. I honestly think it's so simple we look right over it, like most problems seem to be. Sometimes when one person is talking to another they spend a lot of extra time explaining a simple yes no answer for no other purpose than their own ... need of validation or .... something to the effect. I didn't exactly see this thread, or I might have been here sooner.
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Posted 05/07/09 - 04:59 AM:	#13
Cadrache is correct. Entropy tends to build complex systems, not destroy them. Fundamental forces ensure that the ground state of any system is usually the most complex. Closed systems achieve this ground state by increasing the entropy of the system as a whole, i.e. by removing unuseable components. The universe as a whole is settling down to a fixed but huge number of highly complex ground state systems in a sea of unusable matter (low energy photons, neutrinos, some protons and electrons...). I would say this is a more complex universe, insofar as complexity emerges entropically.

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Posted 05/08/09 - 09:56 AM:	#14
I disagree with Thinking Thing actually.(small difference) Only in the reference that the universe is 'settling' down. I would rather state that the interactions seen between specific functions are settling down. In other words; what we see of the universe is a localized settling of the functions between each dimension.
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Posted 05/10/09 - 05:43 AM:	#15
Cadrache, I think that seems to be a reasonable observation. It sounds very simple, and is hard to imagine.
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Posted 05/10/09 - 02:24 PM:	#16
Cadrache wrote: I would rather state that the interactions seen between specific functions are settling down. In other words; what we see of the universe is a localized settling of the functions between each dimension. Does this differentiation have a scientific basis, or is this some personal view of nature? Because I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Posted 05/12/09 - 10:51 AM:	#17
An idea. See music and reference it to vibrating strings and 'nodes'. To me; it seems like the most likely way to combine some aspects of string theory with some of the other stuff. We make the assumption that the length of each 'dimension' equals unequivically to the same distance of the universe.
"...There was a writer who asked why it was that when we find positive experiences we say that only the physical facts are real, but in negative experiences we believe that reality is subjective. He made an example of those who say that in birth only the pain is real, the joy a subjective point of view, but that in death it is the emotional loss that is the reality." - Tony Ballantyne, Recursion. _____________________________________________ Truth is want. - The internal state of matters. Truth is Need. - The external state of affairs.

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