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Can Nothing Create Everything?

SittinWSocratesTiff
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Posted 11/06/09 - 04:25 AM:	#11
"The final piece? Recognize the difference between actual states of thought and mere polarities of subjects." I have read and reread the above advice and find it to be easy in thought process but when I think about actually being able to disconnect far enough to differentiate between the two, the first thing that comes to mind is the ability to remain objective. How can one recognize 'mere polarities of subjects' while still remaining objective? Maybe I am overthinking this.

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Posted 11/06/09 - 05:13 AM:	#12
SittinWSocratesTiff wrote: "There are two types of “nothingness”. The first kind is the absence of available information and the second kind is the absence of everything." I ponder the idea of absolute 'nothingness' that is explained above. There was an interview with the author of a book who took on a journey of seeking 'silence' and what she discovered. The idea of there being a lack of noise did not result in silence was one of her findings. Silence in itself has a sound even if it is a lack of sound. One of the places she did find 'her silence' were places that actually had a lot of sound but not a lot of noise. Places like on the beach of the ocean, swinging in the hammock deep in the woods. Without going into too much detail all energies even those that seem to be absent of all or appears to be 'nothingness' still contains a value that can be recognized. I wonder if the idea of needing to experience day in order to understand the night doesn't apply to the idea of absolute nothingness. She recognized silence based on the properties of silence or noise, the same goes for nothingness it still contains properties. (if even in a potential state), as in this case you have no possibility to observe this nothingness trough "objective"(?) tools
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Posted 11/06/09 - 07:00 AM:

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A box which may or may not be filled with unknown junk doesn't inform us anything about its contents. That is, it is completely uninformative – transmitting no information about its contents. In other words,we have no knowledge of the quantity or type of contents. If however we know the the box is empty than we have one piece of information about its contents.

Suppose the box contains an equal amount of positive and negative items which cancel each other out to a neutral state. We might be deceived into thinking the neutral box was empty because it didn't transmit any information about its contents. Our whole universe may appear empty of information because all of its forces cancel out to zero. We may not even be aware of this becuse we happen to live in a positive or negative part of this neutral universe.

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Posted 11/06/09 - 02:22 PM:	#14
Shrugs One answer is simple. The correction however is not. Sometimes whatever division you decide upon is both polarity and a different state. Thinking in "Black and white" with shades of grey thrown in. Or even the Athiest vs. Religion conundrum.
"...There was a writer who asked why it was that when we find positive experiences we say that only the physical facts are real, but in negative experiences we believe that reality is subjective. He made an example of those who say that in birth only the pain is real, the joy a subjective point of view, but that in death it is the emotional loss that is the reality." - Tony Ballantyne, Recursion. _____________________________________________ Truth is want. - The internal state of matters. Truth is Need. - The external state of affairs.

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Posted 11/06/09 - 02:41 PM:	#15
" Sometimes whatever division you decide upon is both polarity and a different state." is the part I kept finding my way back to. Personally? I think that there are some people who can remain objective even though they are the subject themselves. One that comes to mind is a Doc that I worked for and his acceptence of a diagnosis issued to his Mom. Those that may be more battlehardened or maybe it has to do with the Scientific mind that most Doctors begin their study with.

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