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Doug Shaver
Aspirant Usergroup: Members Joined: Aug 02, 2009 Location: San Bernardino, Calif. Total Topics: 0 Total Posts: 23 |
 #11
wuliheron wrote: It's a little like asking whether God can create a rock big enough that he can't pick it up. I suppose it is something you will have to decide for yourself. For anyone who understands elementary logic, there is nothing to decide. It's a variation of the chestnut about irresistible forces and immovable objects. The existence of either logically precludes the existence of the other. The question is thus incoherent because it assumes the possibility of a contradiction. |
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wuliheron
Tenured Poster  Usergroup: Members Joined: Jun 02, 2003 Location: Chesapeake, VA Total Topics: 18 Total Posts: 5044 |
#12
There is no single kind of logic that has been proven to describe all that we observe, nor has anyone I know of ever insisted that the supernatural must obey any kind of logic. When in trouble, When in doubt, Run in circles, Scream and Shout! |
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Harbinger
Initiate Usergroup: Members Joined: Feb 07, 2005 Total Topics: 1 Total Posts: 15 |
#13
There is only one mathematically perfect logic. Logic itself doesn't describe anything but, it's an important tool we use to maintain reason in our interpretations and descriptions of things. As far as I know, nobody has ever proved the supernatural to have any significance beyond the imagination. I know not what I am, only that I am. |
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Harbinger
Initiate Usergroup: Members Joined: Feb 07, 2005 Total Topics: 1 Total Posts: 15 |
#14
NothingtoSay wrote: Lets say X and Y can have effect A on body Z. Now, X can have the effect A on Z, and Y can have the effect A on Z. Can X and Y affect A on Z at exactly the same time? Do you think two things, with each being able to affect a certain body the same way, can effect this certain body at the same time? Even if X had effect A, and Y had effect B, can X and Y affect body Z at the same time? I'm having a hard time trying to see whether two things can affect something at the exact same time... I can't think of any real world scenario in which one object can effect another without being effected in return. To put it another way, can X and Z interact at the same time Y and Z interact? It might be true that the smallest most fundamental objects of matter are limited to interacting with only one other object at a time. But, if objects have several different ways of interacting, they may be able to interact with more than one other object at a time but only with one other object in each of those different ways. I know not what I am, only that I am. |
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NothingtoSay
Assistant Professor  Usergroup: Members Joined: Apr 11, 2009 Total Topics: 9 Total Posts: 495 |
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Doug Shaver wrote: I think the answer to both questions is yes. And I don't think it's all that controversial, either. I think it's about as obvious as anything gets. How so? How would two--independent--things affect something at the same time? |
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former
banned Usergroup: Members Joined: Aug 06, 2009 Total Topics: 13 Total Posts: 91 |
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Imagine a glass. A scream can break the glass. A knock of an hammer can break the glass. Sound waves from a scream can hit the glass at exactly the same time as the end of an hammer and shutter it simultaneously. Did you mean something like this? Edited by hyena in petticoat on Aug 19, 2009 - 1:55 AM |
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wuliheron
Tenured Poster Usergroup: Members Joined: Jun 02, 2003 Location: Chesapeake, VA Total Topics: 18 Total Posts: 5044 |
#17
Harbinger wrote: There is only one mathematically perfect logic. Logic itself doesn't describe anything but, it's an important tool we use to maintain reason in our interpretations and descriptions of things. As far as I know, nobody has ever proved the supernatural to have any significance beyond the imagination. Perfection is for those who can't handle reality. When in trouble, When in doubt, Run in circles, Scream and Shout! |
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former
banned Usergroup: Members Joined: Aug 06, 2009 Total Topics: 13 Total Posts: 91 |
#18
Reality is for those who can't handle real life. |
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Harbinger
Initiate Usergroup: Members Joined: Feb 07, 2005 Total Topics: 1 Total Posts: 15 |
#19
former wrote: imagine a glass... a scream can break the glass, and a knock of an hammer can break the glass. Sound waves from a scream can hit the glass at exactly the same time as the end of an hammer and shutter it simultaneously. something like this? or it doesn't count? The glass, the hammer, and the air are all compound objects composed of trillions of molecules. The air molecules and the hammer molecules interact with the same pane of glass but with different glass molecules. I know not what I am, only that I am. |
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Harbinger
Initiate Usergroup: Members Joined: Feb 07, 2005 Total Topics: 1 Total Posts: 15 |
#20
wuliheron wrote: Perfection is for those who can't handle reality. Nobody can handle reality. I know not what I am, only that I am. |
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