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Posted 05/18/09 - 11:46 PM: Subject: A God Paradox	#1
In both God and natural causes, we run under the assumption of causality law, that some forces in the past has affected the outcome of the future. The primary difference seems to be..... In the case of natural causes, such forces are not conscious. In the case of God, such forces are conscious. On earth alone, there exist over 6.7 billion human consciousness. On the scale of the universe the earth is pretty close to non existent. So while human value consciousness, consciousness is rather cheap. Functionally speaking, is consciousness really that important to a omnipotent being? For humans, consciousness seems to serve the function of processing and further focusing on the huge amount of information that bombards our brain. To say it in one word, consciousness serve the function of "exclusion". such exclusion is necessary because of the limitation of our processing power, when resource distribution actually matters. Does that have any meaning to something that is "all powerful"? Something free from resource constrain? Would consciousness to the creation force be nothing but an useless excess? Therefore, unlike human, the force that is responsible for the universe, whatever it may be, does not require the function of consciousness. Of course, such force can still have consciousness, with no functional purpose. But such excess challenge God's perfection. Or are we too focus on consciousness simply because we ourselves have them?
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Posted 05/22/09 - 01:30 PM:	#2
But even if god is not perfect, omnipotent or omnipresent he still may have or still does exist, I just think it is ridiculous everyone trying to prove a gods existence, AND that the god was a certain way, you know perfect. Sure it is irational to believe a being we don't know exists to be a certain way, but it is also to say that he is not a certain way, or she, though I go with he/she/it/they, don't exist, unless you change the idea of god from all-powerful, to just the establishment of the universe at a present, and not even necessarily creator... It really all determines on your definition of god, and what god you believe in, the greedy my god is the best and like most other gods is all powerful and the cause of eveything, or the god is good, and good......is god, and/or the famous "I believe in god I spell it NATURE". Your paradox, is more a question, or suggestion, then a paradox, can you even have a paradox for the unknown, unless it is on singularily just that, the unknown?

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Posted 05/22/09 - 01:52 PM:	#3
123savethewhales wrote: Does that have any meaning to something that is "all powerful"? Something free from resource constrain? Would consciousness to the creation force be nothing but an useless excess? If this omnipotent entity were not conscious then its "actions" would not be intentional. They would either be determined by prior events or spontaneous. But such excess challenge God's perfection. "Perfection" isn't a real thing. It's a value we bestow upon some things.
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Posted 05/22/09 - 11:05 PM:	#4
Good Vibe Music wrote: But even if god is not perfect, omnipotent or omnipresent he still may have or still does exist, I just think it is ridiculous everyone trying to prove a gods existence, AND that the god was a certain way, you know perfect. Sure it is irational to believe a being we don't know exists to be a certain way, but it is also to say that he is not a certain way, or she, though I go with he/she/it/they, don't exist, unless you change the idea of god from all-powerful, to just the establishment of the universe at a present, and not even necessarily creator... It really all determines on your definition of god, and what god you believe in, the greedy my god is the best and like most other gods is all powerful and the cause of eveything, or the god is good, and good......is god, and/or the famous "I believe in god I spell it NATURE". Your paradox, is more a question, or suggestion, then a paradox, can you even have a paradox for the unknown, unless it is on singularily just that, the unknown? I guess I was really just trying to say that the concept of omnipotent is incompatible with consciousness, since omnipotent is borderless while consciousness is limited. Of course the paradox would not apply if God isn't omnipotent, or that God isn't conscious (but in the second case it seems more suitable to described as a natural phenomenon than God).
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Posted 05/22/09 - 11:19 PM:	#5
Yahadreas wrote: If this omnipotent entity were not conscious then its "actions" would not be intentional. They would either be determined by prior events or spontaneous. I think it's difficult to call that God at all under those situations. "Perfection" isn't a real thing. It's a value we bestow upon some things. I think when it comes to the word perfection, it depends on the context of it's use. If I say "The food is perfect", it can be a subjective feeling of how much I liked the food. If I say "I score perfectly on the test", it will mean the objective state of getting every question right. But I agree using "perfection" to describe God is one of those gray area where it's meanings become too distorted.
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Posted 05/24/09 - 11:13 PM:	#6
Humanity's power to impact the universe is also insignificant. If humanity could, we would use whatever means necessary to paint our name in the stars, maybe through gravitational shifting. Yet to do that would mean generations of work, it would be a greater endeavor than the building of the pyramids. And even then it's just a few stars, when there's giant clusters of galaxies.

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Posted 06/06/09 - 07:23 AM:	#7
consciousness is very important to the functionality of the brain or to explain how it even may react to certain things. It also is shaped by morals. to your point, I hope I understood it right but you are wondering whether an creator or a bigger force in the universe would be aware of the minor forces or beings existing in this world.To that, I believe that the supernatural power (be it God or any symbol of that) will only exist as supernatural or as major influential force by realising the minor beings or forces. That is how consciousness will be formed because it will be aware of the matter around it and its contribution to its superiority.

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