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0 of 1 people found this post helpful Posted 09/06/05 - 05:31 AM: Subject: "Why you think God is Evil?"	#1
--Why you think God is Evil? "Because I can't fly! I can't go supersonic. Nor can I teleport. God is evil because he made me think about having such skills and didnt bother to give them to me. Sadistic creator. He even got all the power he needed to do it and just flashes it arround." This is what most people is saying when complaining about their lifes to the Almighty. Surely he could end all wars and fights, but he prefers not to. Is he sadistic then? C'mon! Only becouse you make a painting and dont frame it, it doesnt mean you hate it. If you frame it but dont give it a honorable place, it doesnt mean it neither. If you frame it and hangs it beautifully but dont invite everyone you know to see and cherish it, well, then you really hate it!

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Posted 09/06/05 - 06:05 AM:	#2
I understand what you mean. Life seems to pass horribly yet God doesn't bother to just end it. However, there are some things that must not be forgotten. First off, assuming God gave you his powers, He wouldn't be God anymore. Besides, without divine knowledge and wisdom, you wouldn't even be able to use those powers wisely, and God knows this. That's probably why God didn't give them to us. Secondly, God didn't destroy all evil because it would, paradoxically, be unloving (sorry if that isn't a word). God gave us free will, thus free will to do good or evil. Because evil in the world is a choice, God will not interfere, because He would take away our freedom of choice, regardless if He knew what was better for us. Take this analogy. Your parents tell you you shouldn't do something (say marry some immoral person). You insist you want to. Parents can force you not to do this, yet still be loving. BUT, if they loved you to the point that they respected your freedom of choice, they would not force you to do the opposite, but of course they would persuade you. Deep inside, although you may know it is wrong, you would insist to do it your way, make your OWN choice. And thus it is the same way between us and God. God respects our freedom, in fact He gave it to us and doesn't intend to take it from us. This is a blessing. The blame on all that is evil and corrupt is on us - God is just playing His role. Wars and fights are our faults - and assuming if God did intervene, I'm sure most of us would complain about His nosiness (otherwise, we'd never fight in the first place if we would accept peace in the world). By the way, I find difficulty in your analogy. If you hated a painting, you wouldn't bother to do anything to it in the first place. And forgive me, but I do not understand how it relates to your point. Please correct if I am wrong.

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Posted 09/06/05 - 06:07 AM:	#3
God also gave us tsunamis, hurricanes and floods. Lots of free will there. This whole free will thing is so weak. David Hume put the lie to it centuries ago.
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Posted 09/06/05 - 06:53 AM:	#4
I wonder if u got my post, both of u, Kwalish and fateshaper. What I mean to say is that if we complain to God why did he made tsunamis and stuff we r not looking from the proper viewpoint. If God ended all natural callamities, we would still complain. About the weather, about we not being able to fly, to teleport, travel being light speed and all sort of things. Thus we can only be thankful to Him, because surely he could not have created us at all.

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Posted 09/06/05 - 06:59 AM:	#5
Hopeful Thinker wrote: Only becouse you make a painting and dont frame it, it doesnt mean you hate it. If you frame it but dont give it a honorable place, it doesnt mean it neither. If you frame it and hangs it beautifully but dont invite everyone you know to see and cherish it, well, then you really hate it! I like your painting analogy
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Posted 09/06/05 - 07:04 AM:	#6
As I posted in another thread... O.k the supreme being has to be perfect in everyway, is it not possible then that God being omnibenevolent, makes him devoid of something. Because surely if you're all good, you are devoid of evil, and if you are devoid of evil then you are not perfect in everyway. Is it not possible then that a supreme being perfect in everyway has to be both omnibenevolent and omnimalevolent. ... Is this possible or are there serious holes in my arguement.

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Posted 09/06/05 - 07:16 AM:	#7
Hopeful Thinker wrote: I wonder if u got my post, both of u, Kwalish and fateshaper. What I mean to say is that if we complain to God why did he made tsunamis and stuff we r not looking from the proper viewpoint. If God ended all natural callamities, we would still complain. About the weather, about we not being able to fly, to teleport, travel being light speed and all sort of things. Thus we can only be thankful to Him, because surely he could not have created us at all. Right, we should be greatful that not only did he make us able to feel pain, but that he made the world quite more painful than it had to be.
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Posted 09/06/05 - 07:16 AM:	#8
Thanks keda. I only hope u got what I meant, coz I dont think anyone else got. A.D.D. the most efficient way of rendering Gods qualities is by asserting him being all powerful, then following it logically. Saying got should have all qualities at the strongest form is not convincing becouse waht about qualities as existence and non-existence, creating and destroying, loving and hating? I think most people see omnibenevolence as God giving all people things they dont deserve, good things. Thats pretty reasonable.

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Posted 09/06/05 - 07:28 AM:	#9
If you truly believe this is the best of all possible worlds, then God can be perfect. But if in your gut you feel there is something wrong then there seem to be a few possibilities: God messed up or God continues to mess up in some way. We can talk ourselves out of our gut feelings with theories about why things are really as good as they could be, but is this self-loving. For example: we yearn for and somehow expect a world without tsunamis or cruel dictators. Then we are given the thought, Oh you would complain anyway. How well would that logic play out with an abused child? The child is hit by the parents, then when he/she complains, the parent says: Oh, you'd still complain about having a low allowance. This is the best of all possible worlds. It's just your limited perspective that makes you think you have the right to complain or that the status quo could be improved upon. I think this begging-the-? logic has been at work in traditional religions for, well, a helluva long time. As a believer in an immanent god, it is a shame that portions of God continue to talk themselves into accepting the status quo and assuming it must continue. Perhaps this belief has more creative power than we think, however justified the feelings are surrounding this attitude due to what has already occured.

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Posted 09/06/05 - 07:30 AM:	#10
Hopeful Thinker: I'm pretty certain what you meant A.D.D: In order to understand God's perfection, we can have a look at Gödel's ontological argument, where he introduces a so called positivity operator: http://www.stats.uwaterloo.ca/~cgsmall/ontology2.html
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