|Purpose of an Ideal Government|
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Posted Aug 26, 2011 - 3:34 PM:
Nearly_A_Nitwit wrote:Well what has this question have to do with logic in the first place?
it seems to me that every political structure (other than a dictatorship, which only serves to promote the interests of the leader) comes down to the question of promoting individual rights, the good of the society as a whole, or falls in between these two extremes. - Taken to logical extremes...
To answer this question just forget logic and the idea of there being an objective answer to this question, really. If you ask in someway the question "What is the ideal government?", people will give an answer based on their ideological beliefs on what the role of government should be. There simply isn't an objective and logical answer, just as there isn't an objective and logically deduced answer to the question "What is the hair colour of the most beautiful girl in the World?". If you think (in the first place that there exists the most beautiful girl in the World) and that the colour can be logically deduced or in some philosophically consistent way answered, that the answer has to be "Blond", "Brunette" or "Red" or whatever, then you may also think there exist a clear answer to what an 'ideal' government should be. 'Ideal government' really is an oxymoron, as someone said earlier. The notion of an 'ideal government' is just a way to sell an ideology.
So this question, even if you specified it a bit as you did, will simply get people answering to their ideals, meaning they will answer according to their beliefs and ideology. Often they will give a somewhat standard reply why their own political beliefs are the best ones existing.
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Posted Aug 27, 2011 - 4:17 PM:
An ideal government.
It seems the reason we need government in the first place is to structure a group of people who can't individually consider all of the consequences of their actions. I can't just do what I want with the river because those 100 miles downstream will be hurt. Government is supposed to help us reconsider our local actions in light of the greater community.
But the problem is, the government is a bunch of people. People's choices were the problem in the first place which made us need government. So an ideal government would be one populated with ideal people - but a community of ideal people wouldn't need government...
Since that is impossible, I guess the best government is one that has only enough power to keep people from actively harming other people. If the government starts administering goods and distributing goods - we are back to imperfect people taking from imperfect people in order to imperfectly achieve one person's idea of "better" instead of some other person's idea of "better." A highly powerful government of creatures like men and women makes no sense to me. Either that or Jefferson and Franklin were wrong and we are not all equal and some of us need governing while others are free to govern.
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Posted Aug 28, 2011 - 11:02 AM:
All is about happiness.
That needs a balance between individual rights (no rights make people very unhappy) and the good of society (if society is broken people in it are very unhappy).
And happiness is studied by psychology, that means it is decidable how the society should be organized to promote an evironment such that people can get to be as happy as possible.
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