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Do you cease to exist when you sleep?

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Posted 11/06/09 - 01:31 PM:	#21
Timothy wrote: Ahh Banno, if only I had half the subtlety you have to mock these threads... Curious that the thread is still going, after I gave the definitive response.
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Posted 11/06/09 - 07:25 PM:	#22
Could sleep possibly be something like when your having a fun time? Like how if you are really enjoying yourself you can look up and say "Wow its already been 4 hours?" When in your mind you had just started having fun. So like when you go to sleep you are aware the whole time but your concept of time changes so that you think what took an instant actualy took 8 hours. Perhaps sleep is the funnest state you can be in so fun its experienced instantly? I know that in my dreams where I am semi awake in them I am having a ton of fun doing all kinds of things I could never do here so that probably is alot of fun. I'm also one to think that beings probably would have the ability to slip in and out of time at will.

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Posted 11/06/09 - 09:38 PM:	#23
Perhaps we need to look a little deeper than just sleep. I did just that when I had my gallbladder removed. When they woke me up, I felt as if I popped back into existence from absolutely nowhere. I could recall no dream - no sense of being. Despite being woozy, I immediately asked the nurse if the operation went as planned. I was immediately aware of where I was and why these strange people were waking me up. However, I had no sense of how long I was under and was immediately intrigued by the perceived void from which I sprang. It was like being reborn in the same body - only this time, I had memories of a previous existence. I never experienced anything like that before. I'm always aware of some form of existence during sleep. I obviously existed in some pocket of my brain while under. We apparently can momentarily lose our sense of existence without losing our minds - brain willing.

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Posted 11/07/09 - 07:22 AM:	#24
magpies wrote: So like when you go to sleep you are aware the whole time but your concept of time changes so that you think what took an instant actualy took 8 hours. Perhaps sleep is the funnest state you can be in so fun its experienced instantly? It used to be common belief among those that studied dreams that our perception of time changes when we dream. I think though the belief was the opposite to yours: that dreams last mere seconds, or less, in real time, but seem like minutes to the dreamer. However, modern sleep experiments seem to indicate that we experience dreams in real time. If you wake someone up after they have been in REM for 2 minutes, they will describe 2 minutes worth of dream experiences, or after 30 seconds, 30 seconds of dream experiences (plus they may recall other separate dreams prior to this: as I said, we don't just dream in REM). (It seems funny calling waking people up "modern sleep experiments". But actually, it is: for an awful long time the majority of experiments done on dreaming were those that attempted to induce people to dream about something specific).

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Posted 11/07/09 - 07:22 AM:	#25
It's like if there is no dream in deep sleep there is no thing to remember, so memory isn't the makeup of our phsyce. I guess as far as any individual is concerned the universe of things just goes away every night and slowly dreams arize and then we waken. I suppose this is why the morning dream is usually the most vividly remembered dream and moreso is awakeful life. Edited by throng on 11/07/09 - 07:29 AM
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